October 20

Emma avoids drugs and stays pain-free with the Paddison Program

We discuss how:

  • Last year Emma started feeling stiffness and pain in the hands
  • The inflammation spread very rapidly and within three weeks she had multiple joints inflamed
  • Her blood tests were inconclusive, but the symptoms were spreading fast so she began the Paddison Program right away
  • A couple of weeks before the symptoms started to show, she had a terrible stomach flu that lead her to not eat for about five days
  • After a couple of days of juicing she immediately felt better and felt the energy come back
  • She took slow steps in the reintroduction phase, and having a long-term goal did work well for her
  • Consistency in repeating positive actions and habits also played a big role
  • Now Emma can stay pain-free for weeks and continue her reintroduction phase

Clint Good day and thanks for joining us again on the Paddison podcast where we give lots of useful information about how to reduce inflammatory arthritis naturally. And frequently have guests on to share their experience with following a low-fat plant-based diet, and how they are able to get tremendous results. Now today’s guest her name is Emma, she’s in Perth, which is on the west coast of Australia. It’s 8:30 in the morning there, and she’s joining me to talk about her really phenomenal transformation with her health in just over the past 12 months or so. She’s going to talk about how when she was first diagnosed, she had lots of inflammation in multiple joints and was able to actually avoid the need for medications by moving quickly and very, very thoroughly onto a lifestyle platform of the Paddison Program, including its exercise component. And now she has weeks on end without experiencing any symptoms, and it’s really, really encouraging. So. Emma, thanks so much for coming on to talk with me today.

Emma Thank you for having me, Clint.

Clint Yes. So I think what we’re going to get out a your episode is that whilst medications are there to help us and we welcome the opportunity to use them when we’re in very high states of inflammation as I certainly needed to do for several years. The power of the natural approach that we have at our fingertips with the way we exercise, and the way we eat, and potentially some supplements, and stress reduction. These things are very, very powerful also. And you’re going to share about how you utilized all aspects of those to get to the situation you’re in now. So we can learn about that. Let’s first talk about how it went wrong, and how you became inflamed, and what the doctor said, and how your body felt when it first happened.

Emma So it was it was May last year, and we just had a bit of a cold spell in Bunbury, and I noticed waking up in the mornings that I had some real stiffness and pain in my fingers. And at the time I actually put it down to the cold weather, walking the dog first thing in the morning. And I thought, maybe I need to wear gloves you know, maybe it’s this cold weather really affecting me. And a couple of days I wore gloves when I was walking the dog and it made no difference. And things got worse the day after that I’d wake up, and not only when my fingers sore and stiff, so were my toes. You know, it was lasting all day, and then it seemed to spread very rapidly within about three weeks, I would say. To the point where I had multiple joints inflamed and it seemed to start at my toes and woke up my leg, into my ankle, and one knee, and start at my fingers and work up my arms into a wrist and one elbow. I work as a psychologist and I sit with my clients and take notes, and I always like to have a nice pen. In fact, this is a nice heavy pen I’ve used for years, I couldn’t hold it properly because of the weight of it. I was in pain even when I was talking to my clients, trying to put that out of my head, couldn’t hold my pen properly, so I had to switch to a much lighter pen. I park at the beach and walk into work every day and I noticed that walking was painful, I couldn’t walk properly. My joints were just were just all out, it wasn’t feeling right, and it just seemed to be getting worse and worse within days.

Emma And off I went to my GP to say, look, what on earth is going on? Because I have an interest in natural health and I actually have been doing plant-based eating for precedes the Paddison Program for me. I had actually come across one of your presentations on YouTube. And it stuck in my mind for a couple of reasons. One, it was a presentation you did, I think, to a group of Naturopaths, and it was they were eating dinner while you were talking. I remember thinking, I wonder what sort of food they’re eating. And then I also remembered the part where you had improved so much that you were able to run up a hill and your wife had filmed you. And I remember thinking, what an amazing story, what a great guy. I’m gonna keep that in my mind in case any of my friends or colleagues ever have this issue, I never in a million years thought it would be me. So I had re found you just getting back onto YouTube, you know looking up arthritis and plant based eating, and you’d come up again along with, you know, Dr. Gregg, his work and some of the other plant based doctors. But off I went to my GP, she ran some bloodwork, it wasn’t conclusive, basically. But driving home from the GP, I bought my first load of celery and cucumber and I started the Paddison Program that day.

Clint Okay. So did the doctor refer you to a rheumatologist based on the symptoms with your knee and fingers and all of the things happening?

Emma No, the advice was kind of see how it goes you know, it’s only been, you know, sort of three weeks. And I was really scared at this point Clint, I always thought if this keeps progressing at the rate it’s going, I’m not going to be able to work, I’m not gonna be able to move. I cannot stress to you enough how quickly the symptoms were progressing, and how aggressive they were. And, you know, I couldn’t function in that level of pain, living my life and working. It was a real struggle to do that.

Emma So I was walking out of there with a bit of an option in my mind knowing, well now I can pursue this and see how this works for me. Had I needed to go down the rheumatology line, I certainly would have gone back. As it turned out, I didn’t need to.

Clint Okay, well, interesting. You are sort of already pre educated on the path forward and already plant based. So it’s interesting, there’s a lesson there for us as well. Just because we eat in a sort of that’s call plant-based diet, let’s call a whole food plant-based diet, maybe an eight and a half or a nine out of ten. But you can still do even whole food plant-based diet poorly if all you eat, for example, is just avocados and nuts. And again, not that they’re bad foods, but they’re more at the top of the pyramid. Right. Let’s say you’re only eating a ton of plant-based foods and they’re all high in fat. And again, not to incriminate fat, but again, just more of the sort of pointy end of the pyramid here. We can get imbalances, we get imbalances, right? And if we add stress to that, maybe you just started going through a growth period of your business or something, or maybe you weren’t exercising.

Emma I can tell you what it was Clint. About two weeks before my symptoms started, I was actually in the office one day where I am now, and I felt like a fresh juice. And of course, I’ve got a juicer at home, I couldn’t be bothered. I thought I can’t be bothered getting that out and making my own, I’m just going to buy one. It cost me eight dollars, which I thought was ridiculous. And it was one of those you buy from the supermarket, it was you know, a good company. But, you know, premade and it sat there. And (inaudible) drinking it, thinking these tastes like nothing. And I thought, you know, lesson learned and make your own, don’t pay $8 for a, it just had no taste to it whatsoever. Within a few minutes, I felt really ill and I had the worst stomach flu I have ever had in my life. I should have gone to a hospital; I was that bad. And I didn’t, and I should have. I can’t describe to you how sick I was, I didn’t eat for about, I think, four to five days when I had that, which is very unusual for someone like me. I am sure that that had something to do with it because it was maybe a week after I started eating again after that that these symptoms came. I am sure that that did something tipped it over the edge or did something to just start these symptoms off.

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Clint Well, we always have to come back to the microbes, right? So we know that the inflammation at the joint level is resulting from the presence of either bacteria themselves or by-products of bacteria. So something has shifted with the bacteria in your body as a result of this what appears to be maybe, you know, something that’s gone off that you were drinking something that had passed its expiry date. The bacteria in it has maybe caused some kind of imbalance, maybe short term potential bit of leaky gut or and or maybe the leaky gut was already there to some extent and some of this stuff has entered your bloodstream. Yeah, but it’s going to be some kind of, we always have to come back to the bacterial influence of the condition. And so, yeah, looks like something was sort of fermenting that you drank and put you out of action for a while and then hence, joints are being inflamed and progressing. Okay. So interesting, and then you’ve gone and just said, okay massive intervention. Go with the celery, cucumber juice, and you’ve probably moved quickly on to simple the elimination process, baseline Foods. Is that what you did next?

Emma Yes, I did the juicing for a bit longer than I think it’s you say two days minimum. Actually, I think I did it for four or five, I felt fantastic on the juice. It really lifted my mood, I just felt great energy wise. It was just such a good feeling, I wanted to continue it so I did it a little bit longer, my body responded well to it. I am not underweight, nor am I overweight. So I’m not in the position of having to worry about losing too much weight. So I was able to do it for a bit longer, and felt fabulous, and then very slowly reintroduced the baseline foods.

Clint Yeah. And then I had the pleasure of meeting you online, you joined Paddison Program support and we were able to start connecting and talk about where you’re at. Is about a month in only, it was very early stages. And then I was able to watch and occasionally guide, but you didn’t need that much help. You basically were very self-sufficient, and you just went through the process of working through the reintroduction of the foods, but also the exercise. And you really embraced that exercise component. So can you, first of all, talk about the reintroduction of the foods and how that process went for you? And then we’ll get on to talking about the exercise.

Emma So reintroduction of foods. I mostly took things really slowly, I knew that there was no point rushing and if I did rush, it didn’t work for me. So this thing of just playing a really long term game, not thinking about life in terms of days and weeks, thinking about life in terms of months, years and decades. So I was thinking, well, I’m probably going to be doing some version of the Paddison Program for the rest of my life. So what’s the big rush? There’s enough to eat, I’m not hungry, let’s just take it slow. And I think that went in my favour. The other thing, too, which I really embraced was this idea of just Groundhog Day, just get up, do what you need to do, and then the next day do the same thing, just keep going, just consistent. And I think you know, that’s one of the strengths I’ve developed personally over the years, is to just repeat just those good habits, just keep doing them. In terms of the food, I smile when you say that Paddison Program is I think you say it’s 60 percent food, 40 percent exercise? Am I getting that right Clint?

Clint That’s true. And you know, recently I’ve started to think it’s more like 50/50. And the reason I feel that way is because, A it needs to get the attention of people more because people just the failure to exercise is just profound and out of control amongst folks with rheumatoid arthritis. And the excuses are very, very legitimate and valid, they’re in pain, it hurts. The reasons why I understand and hence the reason to go and start moving more. So, yes who cares whether it’s 60/40 or 50/50. But the point is, it’s really, really crucial to move the joints. I always say, look, if you weren’t meant to move that part of your body, it would be a straight bone. It’s only got a joint because that part of the body has to move so you got to move it. So thank you for letting me just have a little bit of a shout from the rooftops about exercise. But yes, what were you going to say?

Emma I was going to say, I have a revision on that for you, Clint. I reckon Paddison Program is 45 percent diet, 45 percent exercise, and 10 percent just a lot of dishes. I couldn’t believe the amount washing up I was doing, you know, cleaning the juicer three times a day.

Clint The juicer, It’s a killer. It’s one of the one of the downsides. People like I can’t eat at restaurants. Well, yet you don’t clean the juicer. I love it.

Emma So look, to me like the food stuff wasn’t a thing it does increase dishes (inaudible) But look, I was like, the pain’s always going to come from somewhere, you’re going to have to pay the price somewhere. So you may still pay the price in terms of doing the dishes.

Clint It’s true. The pain of discipline versus pain of regret. So, yeah, discipline, pain is a lot of dishes, a lot of cleaning. But were you able to compost the fibre matter? I used to always grab that the fibre matter and try and find something to do with it.

Emma Yes.

Clint Okay cool. Well, you’ve reintroduced the foods now, what I want to just jump in here and point out is that anyone who’s watching or listening to this and thinks, well, okay, you know, you’ve jumped straight into this right away. Your results were probably going to be much easier than other people because you hadn’t had it for a very long time. And I want to point out how sensitive your body was to what you were eating, and how crucial it was that you went through this elimination process. I don’t want people to think that if you had just, you know, done the celery and cucumber juice for three or four, five days that you did, that everything was going to be rosy for the rest of your life. It was not like that at all, you have to work really, really hard.

Emma Oh, absolutely, and I knew that I knew that from those few weeks that I’d had that had just been so intensely painful and I really saw my future. I’ve got you know, I’m relatively young, I’m only 42 now. So these symptoms were before I turned 41. You know, I was just like, I’m too young to be thinking about not being able to work and not being able to live a life. So that had really, it had really been a wakeup call for me. I was like, I need to do something big and I need to do something, you know, consistently to turn this around. I do not want to go in this direction of becoming incapable and at any age of life, but particularly not early 40s.

Clint And one thing you mentioned earlier, thinking in terms of months and years and decades is really, really powerful because, we do have many, many, many years ahead. And that, if we are not careful, can be many, many, many uncomfortable, painful years. But if we put play it forward and Anthony Robbins does this at his seminars, he does in one of the many, many interventions that he does throughout the seminars, is he gets you to focus on one of your problems. And so that you have enough emotional leverage to take massive action against this problem. He makes you think about where will that be in a year from now, and how will that affect your life negatively and how will it negatively affect those people who you love around you and how will it negatively affect your finances? And then he says, now think in five years, if you don’t do anything about it, how will that negative affect you at that point? What will your life look like? And then he plays it forward and asks you to think about 10 years. And when you go through the exercise, by the time you’re done, which only takes five minutes or something, you really feel an urgency and an anxiety about taking massive action right away.

Clint And I think, you know, you reminded me of that important mindset that we need is that if we think it’s okay, I just pops more pain killers, I won’t go to the rheumatologist, it’ll be fine. No, this this isn’t going to look good in 12 months, five years, ten years, unless we really, really take massive action. In your case, it didn’t require a parallel medication, but in most cases it does. And so we need to get all aspects of our disease management as excellent as we can so that our future looks really good.

Emma Yes. And 18 months ago, I didn’t know I’d be in the position that I am now. I thought that I might need medication. And, you know, I would have made my peace with it had I needed that, Clint. But what I wanted to know genuinely was that I had done everything I could hand on heart to help myself. And I thought, well, I’ve got this opportunity, I really need to do this and do this properly. So the other reminder I have in daily life, which really helps me, is where our house is. We live opposite an old folks’ home, and I’ve been there for, gosh, since 2002. So I have seen generations of the elderly move in there, sit around and do a (inaudible) nothing, and become more and more incapable. And you see the occasional elderly person moves in, and they maintain their exercise, and they keep active, and they’re doing things, and they’re walking and they’re on stationary bikes, and they maintain their health so much better than those who do nothing. And I think, gosh, what a good reminder, because one day I’m going to be that age, and I want to do some things now to help me be the best version of me forty years from now. Yes?

Clint Love it. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. So how were the results for you as you were reintroducing foods and how were you feeling? Were the pains dissipating? How quickly did they go and so on?

Emma I think it was about three weeks in, four weeks in, I kind of had sort of my first pain free day, which I really celebrated. I think it took about that length of time again to get a couple of days or a day and a half in a row. I think it was eight to ten weeks I was getting sort of, you know, pretty consistent days in a row. You know, the norm for me now is pain free for weeks and weeks at a time unless, you know, I’m trying to reintroduce a food. My body has a bit of a reaction or just recently I was down in Albany, it was freezing cold down there. We’re in a huge mansion, air B & B and I couldn’t get the heating to work. I try to reintroduction a few days before, and something about the combination of all those factors sort of kicked it off. It was low grade pain there for a few days, but most of the time I’m pain free. And I got that result fairly rapidly because again, it’s sort of that early intervention already knowing about the program, starting it straight away. I understand that people sometimes come to this program with having had symptoms for years and years, and I was fortunate enough not to be in that position.

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Clint And also have had a good history of eating as well. Let’s not, you know.

Emma Well, let me confess to some things here. You know, I was plant based since, what, year 2013. But look, there was lots of vegan chocolate in there, there was lots to avocados, lots of nuts. I was following the work of Dr. Gregor, but not straight away so I wasn’t really educated about what a Whole Foods plant-based diet looked at. It was generally getting better as it went, but there’s lots of oils.

Clint Oh, okay. Interesting.

Emma I thought oils were right I thought oils were fantastic for you, so I was doing my best with the information I had. But going back to my childhood, my teenage years, my early 20s, my diet was appalling. It was, you know, lots of junk food, I loved lollies, I loved sugar, I loved cakes. I had lots of emotional issues around food, which I needed to look at and treat and I did. I also took really intensive antibiotics for about must have been a good 12 months, a GP in my mid 20’s, misdiagnosed me with a staph infection and he just kept treating it with antibiotics. Eventually I went to a dermatologist and he said it was a type of eczema called discoid eczema, which GP’s aren’t aware of. And it took me off all the antibiotics, but by that time I had done untold damage to my body. And I remember a pharmacist warning me he was sort of handing them over to me. You know, here I was again for another repeat on this script, and he said these antidotes are really powerful. You need to be taking, you know, some probiotics or whatever he wanted me to take. I thought, oh, my doctor’s fine with it, what are you worrying about? I had this arrogant attitude of like, it’ll be fine, don’t worry. And I’m sure that that played a part.

Clint Oh, my gosh. I’m glad that came up, because that’s crucial. It’s so frequent how often the like a year of antibiotics or more is in the history of folks who develop rheumatoid arthritis. I don’t know if you saw the study that I did a video about a month ago. And it was basically, the more anybody you take, the higher risk of getting rheumatoid arthritis. And the more recent the antibiotic that you took, the more likely as well. And so, yeah, the links are irrefutable.

Emma Yeah, I did see it Clint.

Clint Yeah. Okay. So let’s talk about one more thing about your food. You had a big reaction to when you had some coconut oil in some muffins. I did a video about this as well, actually, to anyone who follows this channel frequently, they might have recalled. I did a case study where I said Emma’s been doing great and then she had some coconut oil. Now people can go back and watch that full case study that’s recent in our podcast queue here, only a few episodes back. But in a nutshell, you have basically eaten some coconut oil inside a muffin that your friend made for you innocently thinking it was okay. You didn’t know that oil was in there and it took you about a month to get back on track, didn’t it, to feel pain free again?

Emma Oh, easily, easily Clint. I think really my recovery is taken probably closer to three or four months. But the first month was very touch and go, the first month I thought that I actually might have to go down the line of medication, and actually pursue a rheumatology appointment. I struggled to get my inflammation down from that, and I cranked up so consistently I do easily four yoga classes a week, an intense classes. I park my car at the beach every day and walk into work and back at lunchtime, and back again in the afternoon, plus doing other exercise. And I really had to ramp that up, I was at yoga six days a week, I was doing extra (inaudible), I was just doing everything I could in that month, to try and get this inflammation under control. You know, with the coconut oil exposure, what had happened, I just reintroduced nuts successfully. And someone very kindly, it was actually it wasn’t muffins. It was actually a you know those raw vegan cheesecakes was actually one of those. And so I had exposure to that coconut oil multiple times more than one piece. (inaudible) I thought it was just nut based, this is great. Next day, I had another piece and it was the multiple exposure, I think that really did me some damage there. I just kind of celebrated being one year on the Paddison Program and going great. Really because I’d been so consistent, I’d had pretty smooth sailing. And my biggest fear had been what happens if I get inadvertently exposed to some oil here? Well, I faced by because of it because it happened to me.

Clint Yeah, well at least it happened when you had you know, when we were in constant communication, we were able to instantly come up with a plan. You put the plan in place, you had encouragement from not just myself, but others. And we saw that after a week and then two weeks, you were like, you know what, I’m slowly getting back on track again. No one else would understand this, no one else who hasn’t experienced these kind of food sensitivities like we have when we have auto immune diseases would even believe that eating something as innocent as a vegan raw cheesecake could have so a much massive life, not life threatening or ending, but life altering result. It’s crazy, but it is true.

Emma And it really impacted the quality of my life for particularly that first month, because you know the pain just geared up really quite intense again in those joints where it tends to go for me. And again, you know, it makes life that much harder. I start to worry, you know, how am I going to have to go down? You know, bringing medication in as part of the support here. Do I need to start thinking about that? You know, it does, it really impacts on the quality of your life. Again, it was that those feelings of fear that I had, you know, when my symptoms first started so aggressively.

Clint And those feelings and emotions are themselves contribute to the potential further downfall of our situation. And these it’s so delicate when we’re feeling good as you were used to feeling and you got momentum, you know, you’re on track, you’re hitting a milestone at the 12 months, you’re celebrating, you’re getting encouragement. And great work, Emma, from all the, you know, people who know your journey, and you feel on top of the world and those endorphins and you wake up it, step out of bed with a bit of a spring. Everything is self-cycling towards continued happiness, continued improvement. You’re projecting thoughts into the future of doing things that you’ve wanted to do. And then when we get into the doubtful situation where we get the pain going on, we’re focused on the pain, we’re worried about the future, we’re down on ourselves, we’re picturing negative things in the future. I mean, those emotional states can really, really create a deeper hole for us. And we’ve got to work so hard in those periods of temporary challenge to get out there as quick as we can. So we stay there a long time it gets real hard to get out.

Emma Absolutely. And I found kind of the emotional mental game in this process has been as important as the exercise and food for me. Personally, I use the tapping technique, EFT tapping, some people call it different things. I know you’ve interviewed someone on a podcast about that technique, I personally use it and find it incredibly helpful. I’m also a daily meditator and have been for years. And I also keep a gratitude journal, and again that’s the practice I’ve had in place for years. I didn’t start off doing all those things daily, they were a bit ad hoc. You know, once a week when I felt like it and even like that, they helped. But the older I got, the more I realized they were helping me, and I needed to have a more consistent approach to those things.

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Clint Yeah, that’s a good reminder to me. I have had in the past each of those things, a meditation practice, a gratitude list, those two in particular. Normally I have a goals list of things that I’m hoping to achieve, and then I visualize on those goals and try and, put them out there in the universe and hope that they might be able to happen. A lot of those, in fact, every one of those things has fallen off my daily practice. Except I just literally right next to me, I created a goals list again last night because I just need to get back on track with some of the things that my main my family are doing. So thank you for the reminder on the gratitude and the meditation, I’m definitely going to reinstate those as well, because, the gratitude is well both of them they’re just so helpful, aren’t they? They’re really great.

Emma Yeah. Oh, yeah. And I notice because I sort of have a fix, some things I do every day for myself. And I notice I can skip one of those like, you know, maybe I miss the Gratitude Journal for one day, but I feel it after two or, you know, we go cruising along and I know you’ve had a background of working on the cruise ships to Clint. I sometimes wonder, you know, life’s so great on a cruise ship, both are tapping. I can feel if I miss a couple of days that I’m not quite as you know, just doing those things daily. Just keeps that emotional system in tune.

Clint And when you’re speaking and I’m trying to think about how I respond. You know, it feels almost like if we’ve got, say, in a car, like a background revs, like the revs of a car. And when you put your foot on the accelerator like that. Right. Let’s say we’re in idle, and I think like most of us wake up and if we’ve had a good rest, good night’s sleep, we might be in an ideal state of revs. But our day seems to create at least the feeling in my body that my revs are going up through like my, the car’s like revving faster and faster throughout the day. And if we don’t kind of do something to bring those revs back down, then we can wake up the next day and the next day just at a higher level of revs than what we really need to be running at. And cars that run on high levels of revs, need more services and don’t last as long as those that can idle on a low level of revs. So that’s what happens to me, I feel like I don’t know, like I’m just I become more in the head, just thinking a lot more fleeting thoughts and a little bit more scattered. As opposed to just this sense of, you know, you got this, this is fine. Life’s moving the way you want, and just more of a I don’t know, like a rock solid, steady feeling as opposed to like a hummingbird kind of going on. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That’s maybe so. Thanks for, you know, you just dropped into therapist mode then. And just let me talk for a little while, didn’t you?

Emma So good, it’s so ingrained, Clint.

Clint You totally just let me talk.

Emma I’ve been doing for like 20 years now, which is half my life, right.

Emma I love her, now I feel the energy shifting like now I need to share my problems with you. Okay. Well, yeah, I think we’ve covered most of the things that I wanted to get across to people, which is that lifestyle medicine is. Here are some of the things that I’ve gotten out of this, is that even our whole food plant-based diet, we still need to watch things like oils. We still need to eat Whole Foods if we’re eating a plant-based diet. A history of antibiotics is going to set us up for problems if we’ve done that in the past, we need to be super careful. And if you happen to know someone who is getting some few symptoms or something, and if you’d look in their past, they’ve added antibiotics immediately intervene and get them onto a healthier diet. And just be cautious because it’s such a risk factor. A childhood, emotional eater, he’s also potentially setting themselves up for future problems. And then a single trigger can be that straw on the camel’s back. That fermented drink that you had, that it expired, that gave you terrible stomach reaction and put you out of action for a few days and then caused this joint pain. I mean, it just shows us how delicate our bodies are and how the microbiome is an ecosystem that can be so disrupted. And that with bacteria getting into the wrong parts of our body, inflammation can arise. And also got out of this, the importance of massive intervention when the house is on fire, don’t watch it burn, don’t stand there and maybe throw a cup of water on it. We’ve got to bring in the fire trucks from every angle we can and put it out as quickly as possible, because it’s our house, it’s our most precious asset. And so I got that out of this as well as know we’ve got a massively intervene so that they were really good. And also, just the nightmarish cleaning of a juicer, I also got that out of it as well. How you really hate cleaning your juicer. I think you need to work on that, tap that one out.

Clint So they’ve been really helpful and thinking about how, you know, the big picture. The nursing home across the road, you know, you’ve seen these people, they’re going in there and the ones who don’t move and are struggling. And we want to be the ones moving, we want to set ourselves up to being those people.

Emma And the years pass Clint, you know, you think about how fast it’s gone, like the last five years for you. For me, it’s flown. The next five years will go just as quick. And yeah, we have to always think I want to play a bigger mental game than most people. I want to think further ahead than just the next week or month. Let’s think years and decades.

Clint Hmm. Yeah. Love it. Thank you. These are great insights. Well, thank you very much for setting aside some time, today’s a workday for you. And I know.

Emma It’s actually my day off Clint, I’m in the office catching up on things, so it worked well to fit this in. And I’m super grateful for you sharing the program and I’m very happy to put some time aside to talk to you.

Clint Oh, wonderful. Well, it’s been really valuable, and I know a lot of people get a lot out of it. So, Emma. Thanks very much, make sure we avoid those vegan cheesecakes and keep up everything you’re doing. And thanks for being a member of our Paddison Program support and inspiring so many people with your constant updates of positivity. And I know people are really valuing having your input on their situations as well. So thanks very much.

Emma Thank you. Thanks, Clint, have a great day.

Clint You, too. All right, we got it.


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