Hanna has used to Paddison Program to get off all pain killers and almost all her Methotrexate (from 25mg down to 2.5mg in just over 12 months). Her blood indicators are all perfectly normal and she feels back to 100%. Learn from Hanna how she made her recovery and how she is now inspiring others to do the same via the Paddison Program Community Forum and through live presentations in The Netherlands.
This podcast does not constitute medical advice. All changes surrounding medications, diet and exercise should be made in consultation with a professional who can assist your unique health circumstances.
Clint: Welcome to today’s episode of the Paddison Program. We have got a wonderful story today. This is really exciting to be able to bring to the call, someone who I can now call a friend, her name is Hanna, and she started the Paddison Program, I think she will tell us about a year and half ago or two years ago but she will tell us in just a moment. We’ve got to know each other online and she is a great and supportive member inside our community forum. She has done some incredible things with her health. She has dramatically lowered her required methotrexate. She has gotten her C-reactive protein and sed rate right down to very very low ranges, well below the minimum required level. She also has recently given a presentation all about the powers of plant-based healing and all about the Paddison Program to some health professionals in the Netherlands where she lives.
She is an outstanding ambassador for our program and also for people who are wanting to heal naturally. This is the first time we’ve had the wonderful experience of chatting to each other actually face to face. We’re on Skype, and Hanna, it’s an absolute pleasure to have you on this episode.
Hanna: Thank you. I’m pleased.
Clint: I didn’t tell you I was going to mention this, but when our little daughter Angelina was born, Hanna posted from the Netherlands a beautiful towel with a nice little hood section for little babies to put their head and keep warm, and it had Angelina written on it, and we actually cried. It was an absolutely beautiful and thoughtful gift to send us, and we are very grateful once again for that Hanna.
Hanna: Really. Thank you. I was so excited about your program and I was so happy it worked. I wanted to do something back, and I didn’t know what, and then you got your daughter. So I thought I had to think about something like that … It’s just a small gift in comparison to what you did for me, so it’s just a gesture to show my appreciation.
Clint: We loved it. We were so moved and I know exactly where it’s sitting right now, and Angelina’s used it many times, and you’ve seen the photos we’ve sent to you. So thank you for that. So let’s start with your story. Where did it begin? What parts of your body? How long ago? How old were you? And let’s pick it up from that point in your life.
Hanna: Yes. RA started with me in 2010 after severe gastroenteritis. I got inflammation in all my joints from my feet to my jaws, it became worse and worse and I went to the GP to ask what’s going wrong, what’s happening with me? He did a blood test and it turned out that the anti-CCP, that’s the marker in the blood for RA patients was very very high. So I knew enough. I went to the rheumatologist and I got methotrexate. It started with 10 milligrams first, but that was not enough, then I went up to the maximum dose of 25 milligrams. Even that wasn’t enough and the rheumatologist thought maybe my guts didn’t take all the drugs in correctly, so I went onto injections and at the same time I was very, very, very tired, as if I had the flu for months.
I was so tired that at 7 o’clock in the evening, I was happy that I could go to bed at that time but then again you couldn’t sleep because of the pain and the inflammation. So when you went up, you were more tired than when you went to bed. And then the next day came, and so it went on and on. And after three months the methotrexate started to work a little bit, so I could cope with everyday life. I had to take also NSAIDs with it, Naproxen the maximum dose every day, 1 milligram and then also Omeprazole to prevent from damaging my stomach. So all of that, it helped, but at the same time I knew how devastating these drugs were for my liver and my kidneys. So I was not very happy with it, but I had no other choice than taking these drugs.
Clint: How quickly did you ramp up your methotrexate? Did you ramp it up like literally month to month it went from 10 milligrams right up to 25?
Hanna: It worked. The 10 milligrams worked after two months, so I was happy, but then after three months it didn’t work at all anymore. So then I went to 25 at once, the maximum dose.
Clint: Okay, and were you taking the Naproxen all that time as well?
Hanna: Yeah, every day one milligram maximum dose and Omeprazole and that worked.
Clint: Okay, so you got to a point where you’re on the injection version of the methotrexate as well as the painkillers and then, how long were you on that before you started to look for alternative ways to get pain down without the drugs or in conjunction with the drugs?
Hanna: When I found your program or my son found your program, I had searched all of the internet to see if there was anything which would help to relieve the pain and the inflammation but I couldn’t find anything at the time. So I gave it up actually, but my son went on and on and he saw me suffering, he wanted to find a solution and then one morning he came and he said, “I found out a website of Clint Paddison. I don’t know if it’s anything” but he was skeptical and he didn’t want to make me happy before he knew if it was really good. So I went to your website, of course, and I saw your video and I thought that this is amazing, how can it be true, why don’t we know this in Holland? Why does the rheumatologist not know about your program when it really works as well? And you sold your e-book and I thought, “Wow, it costs $45 dollars, I think.” I thought, “Well, give it a try. Why not?” So I bought your book and I started reading and I couldn’t stop reading anymore. I was so sure this was the way to cure my RA. I was so convinced. I’ve never been more convinced about anything than this. So I started your program in … it was last year I think, April 2014 I started the program.
Then of course I was so enthusiastic so I lowered the medication, maybe a little bit too fast. I went from five milligrams every month or so. After a while I got some drawbacks or…
Clint: A little bit of repercussions or the pain started to come back again?
Hanna: So I knew then I was going too fast, so I had to slow it down. When I slowed it down, it went okay. Now I’m.. within this year, I went from 25 milligrams methotrexate, the Naproxen, I lowered it to two and a half milligram methotrexate only. No Naproxen, no other medication. Only one tablet. But I know I have to be patient, I have to go on some more months and I think I can skip the last two and a half milligrams as well because I’m doing very well. The CRP numbers are okay. I’m full of energy, I’m just having a new life again. Second life. That’s how I feel.
Clint: That’s absolutely amazing because I’ve heard you tell me the story and I’ve watched your progression as part of one our community members, and I have seen that happen. It doesn’t shock me the way that maybe it would’ve if you would have just told me that when we hadn’t had prior discussions. But it always makes me feel so good to hear your story because you’ve done everything by the text book. You’ve done this with your rheumatologist. The rheumatologist has been completely across all of your reductions with your methotrexate.
You have not rushed things, so that you haven’t had a bounce back of pain since that one time when you found that you were lowering it too quickly. We see that, if people are lowering their medications too quickly, the body can go into shock and suddenly there’s pain again and a cascade of pain can take over. And we know that inflammation can trigger more inflammation. So you have to watch for that snowball effect. And so you’ve identified that and then you have worked your way around that, and then I seemed to recall our discussions in the community only in the last two months. You just went from 5 down to 2.5 didn’t you? You’ve been very very cautious not to go too fast.
Hanna: Yes, sure, and when I had this. It was about six weeks, I had some pain and inflammation again, not like it was before, but just a little bit, so I took a lot of probiotics, a lot of green juices, I went back to the beginning and a reminder for me to be cautious and stick to the program even more than before. I even brew my own Kombucha tea at home now for the probiotics. I eat a lot of salads and extra things to recover, and I’m completely okay. From one day to another, it went away. So now I know I have to go slowly.
Clint: Yes. Okay. A couple of things you mentioned there, I think it’s really important to highlight is that we do have far much more control over this disease than anyone has any idea is possible. Perhaps you could talk about were there experiences where you felt like you had a lot of control where things were a little bit off the rails and then you were able to bring yourself back. You’ve just talked about that a little bit, but do you find that, say the green juices, probiotics. Which of these tend to pull you back into line the best or is it a combination of all things for your body?
Hanna: I think it was a combination because I tried everything again at the same time, so I don’t know exactly what it was but I have the confidence now. I know I will get through it and I will go to the point where I have no pain, no inflammation. I just know when I stick to the program, when I have a little bit of inflammation, I know I can go back to that point before. That confidence I have now. I also take the Curcuma, which I think helps a lot. I make them myself, the capsules, vegan capsules with Curcuma and I take them every night, two or three at the same time with pepper. It seems that it takes better into the blood.
Clint: The absorption. So I think you’re talking about the turmeric and the black pepper combination. Okay, great. That’s some really great stuff. I want to focus on the confidence word. That’s a word that we don’t hear enough when we are suffering from rheumatoid arthritis, and it is the correct word. When you get to a point where you have the control that, I believe that the vast majority of people can get to whether or not with the assistance of some medication, of course. But you can get to a point where you understand by going through this process that I’ve laid out from start to finish, you can start to see your body being predictable. And when the body is predictable, you gain confidence and when you have confidence you restore hope. And so this sequence of events enables you to have a dramatic amount of power over your condition and that is an outstanding feeling.
Hanna: Yeah, sure absolutely. I knew I could do it because I had it before. Even now, should it start again, I’m okay, that if it should, I’m very sure I will get over it again. I have this confidence of my body now, which I hadn’t had before at all.
Clint: And that is absolutely so powerful, and it just gives you your life back. It’s like if you sprain your ankle and you’ve done it many times before, you know the sequence of exercises, whether it be rest, ice, whatever the sequence is. You know that if you’ve sprained your ankle before and you’ve done it again. You know how to quickly get your ankle back on track.
Hanna: Exactly, yes. That’s the feeling.
Clint: In our community forum we talk about this process as returning to baseline. Now what I used to do is fall back onto the buckwheat and quinoa meals, a ton of salads, all my probiotics, my potassium supplements and I would only need to go back to baseline for a day or two when inflammation returned when I was at a mature stage of the process. So at the start, you’re kind of staying in the baseline phase for a couple of weeks because your body is so inflamed, and it has so many limitations from the digestion point of view and your bacteria portfolio and so many things. So it takes a long time to get to a point where your body can become more robust, but later in the stage, like you were at when you were talking a moment ago, when you were maybe a year in, if you were finding some inflammations, you were just going back to baseline for a small amount of time. Was is it for you only a couple of days and you would feel back on track again?
Hanna: Now it is, but before it took a couple of weeks even. But since then it stopped from one day to another and I feel no pain at all for months now. No pain, no inflammation, I have lots of energy and now I’m so confident. I know I had it before, I have it now, so even when it pops up, I’m sure I will get over it again. I have that confidence and that is a great feeling. Of course, you have the forum, it’s so helpful for this. I don’t know how I would have gone through this whole process without the help of the forum. All the people who support you, all the positive talks, all the lovely talks from other people who are in the same position. It is so important this forum for everyone because it is a long process before you are really completely recovered.
Clint: It is a long process. It took me years to completely get rid of the inflammation, and I … so many things I want to say on what you’ve just said. So first of all, it took me years to get rid of the pain completely and it’s kind of the word asymptotic which is a difficult word to translate into Dutch, I’m sure in your mind. But asymptotic means as a chart line starts to approach zero, it gets harder and harder to completely get to zero. Okay. However, asymptotic curve have never hits zero, but I believe you can hit zero. So it’s not the perfect metaphor. So as you are getting closer and closer to getting off the methotrexate completely yes, you might find out that it seems to drag on for a while, and that last part for me. It took me like a year to get from getting rid of about 95% of my pain, but then I still had this persistent annoying pains in my two fingers, there.
Hanna: Really, yeah.
Clint: Yeah, and I also had it in my right elbow, and so it was just hanging around and everything else was gone, and it was very low levels of inflammation with the C-reactive protein of one milligram per liter or something. We are talking about low levels, but it wasn’t totally gone, and it took me the good part of a year to get that last little bit gone.
So I just want to reassure you that, yes, that same experience. Also, with regards to our forum, first of all I want to thank you so much because your story and your contributions inside the forum are so powerful for people, and you provide so much inspiration to others and you are so positive, and so I want to thank you for being such a wonderful valued forum community member. I really appreciate that. And if anyone is listening and would like to join our forum, there’s two ways you can go about it. One is you can just directly, if you are new to the Paddison Program, you can go straight and join our community forum.
You get absolutely everything that I have published, including things that have not been sent out on my mailing list or put in any of my Paddison Program Products. So every single thing that I do, gets published first inside the community forum. Now, you can do that, or if you are an existing Paddison Program customer – and you have the Advanced Package – then you can access the community forum at a discounted rate because you have already invested in the program and so it is a heavily discounted rate to join the community forum.
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It’s totally optional, it’s just a whole new order of magnitude level of support from myself with monthly training, live webinars and obviously support from others, just like Hanna, who’s gotten almost completely off her drugs and has a ton and wealth of experience in this program.
On that topic, you recently gave a presentation to a group of health professionals there in the Netherlands. I helped to promote this for you on our Facebook page and I believe you got 20 something people to your talk. Can you tell us about your talk?
Hanna: Yes. I was so excited about your program of course, after my healing process. I wanted, I don’t know if this is an English expression, but to scream it from the roof tops?
Hanna: ..to tell everybody about this because so many people in the Netherlands they don’t know about your program. So many are struggling with the pain and inflammation, and so I want more people in the Netherlands to know about your program. Then I got the opportunity to speak for this health group, promote this health group in the Netherlands. They had a dietitian month where people could speak about diets and related diseases, and I got some time to speak there as well.
They work a lot of health practitioners like GP, physiotherapists, dietitian, something for the right movement sports guys. They all came to listen to my story. I could feel they were a little bit skeptical at first because, “What is she going to tell? Is she not telling anything spiritual, something which really works?” I could see to all of the faces, they were so interested. They were excited themselves. I could see the change while I was speaking, telling about your program, what it has done to me because I could tell my own story, I could show them my medication that it was going down, and my CRP was going down. So they could see it really worked for me. So they were really excited about it. They asked good questions, I’ve got a lot of emails from people who were there later on. I’ve referred them to your website because I think the only way to really go through this process is to join your forum because it is very difficult to do it on your own.
You really need that forum not only for the information you have and the support, but also the people who help you through the more difficult times. It even helps me now to look at your speech from time to time. From the TEDx University, that speech of 15 minutes. Sometime I just have a look at it and then I’m inspired again. Well, I was already inspired, I don’t know how to explain it but it gives me a positive feeling to see it again and again.
Clint: Wonderful. Well I’m really excited by what you might be able to do in the future in the Netherlands, because being… the language, although everyone in the Netherlands can speak English, I think that coming from someone who is a native and who uses the native Dutch language, it’s certainly is an advantage to help spread the message throughout your country. I think that your story is so powerful and your result is so real, and you are also a female which is the vast majority of cases with rheumatoid arthritis. It’s also more of a connection with the majority of people who have this disease. So you are more of the classic case. Sometimes people might look at my situation and say, “Okay, yes, Clint had this absolutely severe version of this disease in 80% of the joints in his body,” like yourself, jaw, feet, elbows, ankles, everything, chest. Surgeries in the first 24 months of having the disease.
However, I got it when I was 31, and I also was working as an entertainer, only a couple of days, a couple of evenings a week, and so I had all the time to dedicate to my healing. I’m a man, not a female. And I think so, you really have- you are the stereotypical. You know what I mean? If you don’t mind me saying that.
Clint: I think that that’s really powerful because you can really connect with the majority of folks with this disease, and also you are also passionate and you are so well spoken. I think that you could really do some great things in the Netherlands. I’m able to try and help you with that, and we can talk offline about how we can look at doing that in the future.
We’ve also got another forum member, Danny who is just now also completely drug free.
Hanna: Really? Oh, I didn’t hear that. I’m so happy for him.
Clint: He’s now drug free, and he’s only a couple of hours up the road from you isn’t he, in the Netherlands?
Hanna: Yes. He is more about two or three hours, yes. It’s a small country so we are … in no time.
Clint: Between the two of you, you’ve done amazing things and the Netherlands is in very good shape if the two you get together and put your combined legwork, because he is also an inspiration and he also has a very strong voice. That’s very exciting for the future. What key tips would you give to some people who might be thinking about doing natural healing for their RA, and of course this can mean very much in conjunction with the medications. But just looking to restore a lot of the damage and therefore require less medication and have less pain. But what are some tips or things that you’ve learned from your journey, that you feel will be good to share with other people?
Hanna: First of all, Paddison Program Forum and your program of course. Otherwise, we can’t start, and of course follow the food directions. No meat, fish, dairy. In Holland, we are really dairy eating and drinking people, lots of milk and cheese and that kind of things. Of course I stopped with all that radically. I don’t eat it at all.
Clint: Let me ask you this, because people say to me, “Wow, that is so hard. That is so extreme.” And I respond with rheumatoid arthritis is extreme. Waking up in pain is extreme. You want to know what’s radical, is having fingers that can’t bend and a knee that can’t walk. That’s radical, and if you want results against pretty much the most difficult disease to reverse, that doesn’t kill you, then you need to implement the most powerful healing that I believe exists.
And that is what I consider my program, and so I just want to throw that in whilst you are listing your suggestions because some people get so passionate about their foods that they actually find it very difficult to see the benefits in letting go of some of the harmful foods rather than seeing how much benefit that would give in terms of pain relief, drug reduction, all sorts of other things like energy improvement, all sorts of things, not to mention just for RA, but all the other aspects of health, from lowering heart disease risks, lowering cancer risks, lowering blood pressure. All sorts of other additional benefits. But anyway, let’s continue with your list.
Hanna: Yes. It didn’t take a second for me to change my diet because when you know it will take away the pain and the inflammation, you do anything for that. When you follow this diet and you feel you are going to feel better, you have no inflammation, you have no pain at all, you have more energy, then you know you are on the right track. After a couple of months, you don’t even want anymore, any meat or fish, or dairy. And you get used to other ways of eating. I like all the vegetables and the salads, and the green juices. You don’t know any better than that and I would never go back to that point again. Even my whole family is going with me there. They are all eating different now, and it’s spreading slowly, from my family, my son, my daughter, their friends, their friends. It’s slowly [inaudible 00:29:55] that its better to leave the meat and the fish, all the dairy we are used to eat.
Clint: Are they seeing health benefits as well?
Hanna: Yes. Also, my daughter has problems with the guts, and she is feeling much better now. Everybody around me, I can see a difference.
Clint: Awesome. You see what I’m talking about. You are the beacon of light and the light’s spreading, and it’s wonderful.
Hanna: I always thought I was eating healthy but not knowing this, I’m a teacher in health care and I didn’t know. I thought I was eating healthy but didn’t know all of this. I read The China Study in 2012 and that was a big eye opener for me. At that moment I had already skipped the meat and the fish, and I only took a little bit of dairy at that time not knowing this was good for my RA as well. When I started with your program, I just had to leave the dairy out. So it was maybe, not such a big step as for other people than for me. I didn’t drink any alcohol, I didn’t use any fat anymore, and it’s working so well. So I’ll never go back to that again.
Clint: Awesome. Just for listeners who are wondering about what I eat now and what Hanna will end up eating at some point if you’re not already. But it becomes a very very diverse plant based diet. So I can eat everything that’s high protein, high fat now, including oils, I try and avoid oils. The things that used to be massive triggers, my body is now robust and can handle those foods. So I can sit down and I can eat avocados in abundance, I can eat nuts without soaking them like I used to have to activate them. I can eat in large quantities. I just snacked on handfuls and handfuls of dry roasted cashews just before this, because I wanted to get my energy up a little bit because I actually did a Bikram Yoga class this afternoon and I wanted to just have some food before we chat.
It becomes unrestrictive except for things that you know are just ridiculous to eat if you’ve been through this hell in the past. Why would you ever go and eat the foods that scientific studies have said are the most deleterious for the gut wall, and most aggravating for rheumatoid arthritis? We don’t need to put ourselves through a study ourselves when other people have given us the results and tell us what to eat and what to avoid.
Hanna: Yes. It is easy when I’m in the supermarket nowadays. You always have to wait before you can pay the stuff you have in your basket. I always look at what people are putting on their shopping cart, all the crap they have in there, the chips and the color, and all this things, and then I look at the people who are buying this stuff, then I can see they are going in the right direction. It’s something I’m so aware of nowadays. There’s so much crap in the shops that all the people buy. They are not aware of what it’s doing with them, and it’s all going into your body, not knowing how devastating it is for your body. It’s amazing.
Clint: It is amazing, and you start to see the world through a lens that is quite new when you haven’t eaten healthily in the past. You start to observe things. It’s like when you buy a red car of a certain brand and you never noticed them before, and after you buy it you see them on the road everywhere, because you are actually noticing something that previously you were unconscious to.
Hanna: Yes. You see the world differently after this program.
Clint: You do, and it is really nice to have that feeling inside you, like you are putting your health first because without it it makes life so much more challenging.
Hanna: It’s the most important thing you have, your health, and the health of your family members. We can’t talk enough about this.
Clint: That’s right. Now you are about to go on a wonderful holiday. Can you tell me a little more about this, because I don’t know that much about it, but I know it’s a bit of a dream come true for you. So can you tell us about this holiday?
Hanna: Yes. Do you remember we put our goals on the forum? Everybody who enters the forum? So a year ago, I think. I put my goals on the forum and one of them was something which was on top of my wish list, and that was going to Zimbabwe. We lived there 20-25 years ago. Our daughter was born in Zimbabwe. We went back to Holland when she was very young, so she doesn’t remember the country. So my biggest wish was I could buy tickets for the whole family and go back to Zimbabwe one day and show her the house where she was born and the clinic where she was born, to show her the country she isn’t aware of, but I wasn’t in a good state at that time, so this was one of my goals as you know.
After a year I felt so amazing, I felt more energetic, I thought, “I can do this now. I can really do this,” and then in February, my daughter gained her PhD. So I thought wouldn’t it be a great gift for her when I could give her this ticket to Zimbabwe for this opportunity. So I bought the tickets, she was excited of course and we are leaving on Tuesday. In two days, we are going to explore the country, and I’m sure it will be a big adventure.
Clint: I’m sure. You’ve done this before. In terms of travel, you’ve become very good at traveling whilst being able to avoid any aggravation to your joints, and so I’m not worried about you at all going to Zimbabwe because you’ve become very very good at knowing where to eat at certain locations when you travel and how to pack some breakfasts and things. Haven’t you?
Hanna: Yeah, most of the time the food is better than in Holland. In Asia, they eat a lot of rice and vegetables, and there’s no problem at all. In Africa it will be the same, much easier to eat out in restaurants than in Holland. In Holland, it’s really difficult sometimes.
Clint: It is.
Hanna: Sometimes you can’t even get the salads. They only have things, it’s always when it’s not vegetarian then it’s with cheese or dairy or … then I bring my own stuff. I’m sure in Africa or in Asia it’s no problem at all.
Clint: Isn’t that amazing? It just so happens that they believe– scientists believe in Africa, there was no case of rheumatoid arthritis before the 1960s, and that’s because they live off basic foods, very little animal products at all. They live on enough root vegetables and rice, and grains and things, and not overeating or indulging in foods the way that westerners have done. So I find that particular study fascinating. I love that. I think that’s great. You will eat better on this trip.
That is absolutely fantastic. Now, in the last podcast, I interviewed Dr. Monica Aggarwal who’s a cardiologist based out of Baltimore and you and I have spoken in the past. You’ve been very great with participating in our study on the effects of plant-based diet and the Paddison Program on reversing rheumatoid arthritis symptoms. I want to thank you for that, and just to remind listeners that if you wanted to participate in this survey, it would help us a lot in terms of spreading the news within the scientific communities. So this is getting the word out to rheumatologists and doctors, people who work in the medical field, that there is an optimal diet for inflammation reduction and gut healing when you have rheumatoid arthritis. So thank you for being a participant in that study.
You can attest to it being very simple. It only takes about three or four minutes to complete. It’s only just your blood test results and where the pain was and where it’s gone and so thank you for that. I just want to ask you. Are there any closing comments or encouraging words that you could pass on to other people. Maybe, what kept you motivated?
Hanna: What kept me motivated? Well, the fact that I was doing better and better everyday. That’s the biggest motivation for myself, and of course the forum was very important. All the goals I had, I wanted to achieve, I wanted to work more because I couldn’t work as much as I do nowadays. I wanted to travel more. I had so many things in life I wanted to do, so that was a big motivation for me to get rid of this disease and also to get rid of the medication which wasn’t very good for my body. I didn’t want to take those drugs anymore because I knew it wouldn’t make me better. It would never make me better. I think that was a big motivation for me and to do the things in life I always wanted to do. To have more exercise, to have walks in nature. To enjoy life in general. That was the big motivation for me, I think.
Clint: Yes, that’s beautiful. That’s wonderful Hanna. I just thought of another thing that might be of benefit to people. As we talked about it, at the top of the call, you did this very systematically. I have a 30-minute video detailing very very clear steps and if then cases of the whole process of getting off methotrexate. There’s a 30-minute video on this that I created and Hanna’s process has followed this exactly, and that’s inside our forum as well. It’s just something else for people to think about if they are interested in speaking to Hanna directly. She is a wonderful part of our community forum.
Thank you so much Hanna. That’s what I wanted to go through today and I really appreciate you coming on the call. I know you are probably busy packing ready to go on your holiday. It’s very exciting.
Hanna: Yes. I have to prepare some things, and I will send some pictures from Zimbabwe to the forum.
Hanna: Maybe I can encourage other people to do the things they love and go there to that point.
Clint: I think you’ve already done that. I think anyone who’s listening to this now, we are very inspired to take action. If they are already on a path towards healing to really just apply an extra level of effort, and if they are thinking about taking that step, it might be just what they need to hear, someone else who’s been through it, who has been through all the ups and downs, and then has gone through the process slowly and steadily and has wonderful results. Also influencing so many people, not just your friends and family around you, but also giving talks like you have.
Really Hanna, it’s a pleasure to know you. I’m really so glad that we’ve connected.
Hanna: Okay, and thank you for everything you did for me because I can’t pay you back for that, but you know my appreciation and my gratitude to you.
Clint: I know. Thank you so much Hanna.
Hanna: Okay. Thank you.
Clint: Bye bye.
Hanna: Bye bye.
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