We discuss in this interview:
- How Tim got to a difficult diagnosis of two diseases
- Six months on antibiotics and their consequences
- The importance of personal research on the disease
- A 21-days water fast
- Gut bacteria and their function
- Going for 1 per cent improvements
- Disease treatment as transformation
- Treating Lyme with an alcohol-deterrent medication
Clint Well, thanks for joining me today, I’ve got a guest, Tim, who is going to talk about dramatic improvements that he has had with not only rheumatoid arthritis but also Lyme disease. So if you or someone has or has suffered from Lyme disease, then this is going to be a very interesting podcast indeed, because he’s going to talk about how he was able to use the Paddison Program to isolate aspects of his health or those symptoms of these conditions independently. And then work through and be able to get excellent results with both of these serious conditions. So Tim, who’s in upstate New York, thanks for joining us today.
Tim Thanks, Clint. So I guess I’ll just start off, it was back in July of 2015. I woke up while I was visiting my parents and I got this dreaded red bullseye that everybody hears about Lyme disease. And it’s like, OK so then first treatment the CDC recommends is Doxycycline, 21 days and I did it. And, you know, I didn’t think twice about it, I just went on my merry way and like OK. But then all of a sudden, it’s like one day, like my big toe started hurting, and then I’m like, go into the doctor, orthopedic surgeon. And he’s like, no, you know, you’ve got arthritis. And I’m like, I don’t have arthritis. I’ve never had arthritis. And it was just kind of like from there, my health fell apart. You know, it just when, you know, I could go over all that, you know, depending on which doctor I went to a urologist, I had prostitis. If I went to the general practitioner, it was blood pressure. And it just like one symptom after another. And then it was just kind of like, fine. I went when I was like, I think I got Lyme disease. And so I go back to a Lyme doctor and immediately they put me on Doxycycline, and I think I was on it for like six months of different antibiotics and just kind of like beaten my system down with antibiotics. And I never really, I never really felt better after that. But it was like when I was like, OK. And then it was like, I’m trying to think after that it was. My parents were moving in, their health and it gets worse. And I was having to move in. And that’s like one morning I woke up and my hands were swollen and I couldn’t move my joints. I was like, what is this? You know, I always remembered like my grandparents and everybody on my mom’s side had joints replaced and my grandmother would talk about her rheumatoid and you know, her. You know, so I was like trying to like, what is this? And I go to my Lyme doctor and they do the blood work and they’re like now, you know, had the blood work. And it’s like the RA factor were all negative. I was taken a gasp by that because I’m like everything I’m reading, I’m like, you know, rheumatoid factor should be positive for the symptoms I’m seeing in both hands, and it’s swollen and it’s worse in the morning.
Tim So then I just started doing research and I’m like, you are like a kindred spirit because, you know, you use the information from doctors, but you get a lot out of your own research and the like. So I’m liking the same well, I like digging into the Internet. You know what acts like rheumatoid arthritis. But you know, the symptoms aren’t you know that the blood work’s not the same. And then I came up with psoriatic arthritis, you don’t get a lot of factors that arthritis. And then one of the symptoms was I’ve been battling toenail fungus for like years and I could never get rid of it. Now, with all these different herbicides and pesticides and I can get to know other drugs that would be hard on the liver and I’m trying never to get rid of it. And then they’re showing symptoms of it is it mimics the psoriasis kind of arthritis mimics toenail fungus gives you a little lip at the top. Other people think it’s the most like, you know. (inaudible) that’s what I have. Because then once, you know, I saw that symptom and then I start to look at fingernails and all the ridges and I’m like, I got psoriatic arthritis. So then I’m like, (inaudible) how to treat that. And I’m like, you know, I go to my general practitioner and he had some sort of like schooling in rheumatoid arthritis and he wants to be put on all these high-level drugs. And I don’t want to go on these drugs. I’m like, these are like chemo drugs, and I’m like, you know, and then I’m like, I don’t know what to do. But then the symptoms are getting worse and getting worse. You know, I’m like, OK, it’s probably food-related, but I’m like, kind of like restrict my diet and I’m going to be on the broccoli and chicken and never get rid of it. And I’m like, just sucks cause it’s just kind of like, I can’t, you know, find out what’s triggering this. But I’m like, you know, food-related.
Tim So then out of sheer, I guess you call it desperation, I came across fasting and I’m like, OK, let me try this fasting. And then I went on a 21-day water fast, and at the end of the 21 days, I was like pain-free. I was like, OK. (inaudible) related. And then at the same time, my wife was like, you know, you might look at the caps diet because, you know, you might have a leaky gut and really focussing in on the leaky gut stuff. I started trying to gap’s diet, but as I’m doing the protein and the fat, it’s just like my son. I wouldn’t get better, I would just gradually get worse and I just could never. You know, I’m talking to like all these people about Gaps Diner, you know, the general consensus is, well. If you’re not showing improvements, then you’re doing something wrong. That’s not helping me, it’s like I need help. And, you know, one lady was like, I don’t know what to tell you, he had no answer for it. It’s all fat and protein-related, I’m like, this is causing me the problem. And then I was like really focussing in on, you know, I got leaky gut and then I’m like, I circled back to my Lyme doctor, because I’m like, you know, I really don’t know what’s going on. And she was an interesting lady, and, you know, at the same time, you know, I did my first stool sample and then it’s like, you know, start to get those results and then, you know. This was around December of a year ago and I came across your Web site. And of course, I’m like, you know, I’m a huge skeptic, so I’m doing all the research and, you know, seeing what you had to offer, looking at all the free videos and you know that the naysayers and the positives.
Tim So then I go back to my Lyme doctor once I get stool sample results and, you know, this kind of looking at the stool samples and she’s like, I’ve seen worse. But then I compare it to what you are talking about. And it’s kind of like, you know, the negative was out, you know, the bad bacteria. It’s like, yes, some of them are off the charts high. And then my good bacteria with some of that, you know. But she was like dismissive, she was like, oh, it’s only one of two negative and one or two positive. You know that. Ah ha. But I’m like, no, no, no, no, you’re not reading. I’m reading different from an engineering mind. I’m like, you’ve got eight of them in like five or are just barely within the band just because two of them are out. And she just didn’t see it that way. And I’m like, well, what this is, you know, this other one is saying nondetectable, but you’re not flagging that as (inaudible). It’s like I didn’t agree with it, but it was kind of like she was a necessary evil because I needed her to get some of that bloodwork done and I needed her to get some of the testing done. So (inaudible) me on the Lyme test again and she’s like, yeah, you’re positive for Lyme. And she was like, what do you want to do? And she was like, I recommend you go back on antibiotics. And I just came across your Web site, you know, I was like torn about should I sign up for my life was like a hundred dollars. You know you don’t hesitate to spend 30 bucks on the supplements. You draw for supplements and you don’t hesitate why you squabble over a hundred dollars.
Tim So I signed up if you were the only one that spoke truth to it, you know, all the symptoms I’m seeing, feeling they were there. So I’m like, I’ve got to try it. And, you know, it’s just like everything you would say you’re going to do it. You know, G.I. tracts in my samples came back just like what you said. So I started on down that path and I didn’t want to do the antibiotics and everything. You know, I’m reading them. It’s like it’s my gut bacteria. I’ve got to get this healthy. You know, I’m like. And I didn’t know how I would end because I’m like, I got this Lyme. Am I immune systems totally out of whack right now? But I’m like, I need the strength of my gut bacteria and later on, I’ll deal with the Lyme. I don’t know how I’m gonna do that, but later in, I gotta get my body healthy, my body is not healthy at the moment. So I went on your protocol and there were ups and downs. I didn’t mind the celery, and the one problem I had is I right now. Currently, I work in a semiconductor fabrication unit. So I know during the day when I’m at work. I’m head to toe and counting. I have the full cleanroom suit, and it’s really a pain to go to the bathroom.
Clint I know exactly what’s that like. I used to work in the exact same clean room, I used to work in. What’s the name of it? What’s the name of those clean rooms where you’ve got to be completely like it? Is it vacuum-sealed where you go through two doors and you get chances in the middle? Ice to work in the exact same environment, we used to make fiberoptic filters and we used the laser beams to put these wavelengths splitting filters into these are optics. So I understand that is a pain in the ass you get takes three or four minutes to get dressed and three or four minutes to get undressed. So you don’t want to be going to and from too much.
Tim And it was like to get to where I needed to work because I from the time I got to the gown and it took a half an hour to get the machine and go back to sleep like a 45-minute cycle. And I’m like the juicing kind of became a problem for that. So I was like, I really need to regulate my fluids before I go to work. You know, but then I don’t really want to heavily, you know. So the system I ended up coming into was I’d start out the morning and I’d do my big juicing in the morning. And then I was sentenced into matter like I didn’t want immediately eat because, you know, I’m reading like I wanna make sure my acid stomach acid was at the peak performance before I eat here the greens or the buckwheat. So I’d always wait usually about an hour until I could start passing the fluid, and I’m like, OK, the fluids are out of my system now I can eat. So I got into that kind of habit was, you know, drink my drink, wait an hour, an hour and a half, eat my you know, eat my meal. And then I was always doing that kind of intermittent fasting or I’d have a morning meal and a night-time meal. So trying to keep it twelve hours apart, just trying everything. But, you know, I’m like pulling information all over the way. I’m like, OK, what is going to work for me? So that’s kind of generally the basis that I got into the morning juicing meal.
Tim And when I came into that, you know, come up with another titbit was supplementing with acid. So I came across, you know, it was like, you take. I think I was like something on the Internet. You take some baking soda and you take a certain, and then you time how long it would take you to burp. It was like and if if you didn’t do it within five minutes for a long stomach acid. And then it’s like, oh, well, you start dosing yourself until you steal that heartburn and, you know, kind of go, I was like off the charts like low on stomach acid. So I can’t even hesitate to tell you how many milligrams I was taking because I want to keep people down. But it was a handful.
Clint But you were taking the supplements of betaine hydrochloride, which is easily available online. And we have to watch that we don’t get ones that contain papain, which is like pig’s thyroid or something, but a lot of them come with papain just to vent around for proteins. I mean, you know, the net benefit of taking it still probably going to be there. But if anyone’s, you know, strict about these things, like I like to be, you can get just betaine hydrochloride without the papain.
Tim So then, when I was eating, I’d take a some of those hydrochloric acid supplements and then I’d take digestive enzymes and then the other one is from the pineapple, bromaline. So I had this kind of system that, you know, I was like at the time I’m eating, got this handful of pills. I mean, I got to the point where if I didn’t do it, I could actually feel the results. You know, it was like if I missed, you know, it was like generally 24 to 36 hours later, the symptoms started coming in. And it would take five days for those symptoms to clear. So how did I have to do everything right? I had perfect timing and it just really sucks because I’m like, you know, it’s just I had to be so regimented. And then so I’m like, sitting on your diet and like, you know, OK, I’m on the baseline meal. I’m being like, try and everything, OK? Miso, reacted to it nonetheless, papaya reacted to it. I’m reacting to everything, I just didn’t get a break. I take that back. I did broccoli and cauliflower. OK, that’s helped. That was the only thing in the system was, you know, I’d try it. I’d react that I’d have to take five days to clear and it would just slow. And, you know, it just kind of like gone along. But, you know, everywhere you’re a long you know, I kept hearing your voice like you’re just expecting 1 percent improvement, just hope for one percent improvement. And I generally was getting better, you know, just generally getting better. And, you know, it was like six months I had my GI tract on again and everything was better for my bad bacteria was basically all back and within. Good bacteria was still a little weak but I’m like, I think you had went discussing that before and you basically have to kill off the bad before the good can grow out of that. So I’m like, you know, I’m like Clint’s right again, I’m progressing. You know, my body’s reacting to everything that you’ve said it’s going to just take in slow time.
Tim But the problem is, I’m just on that baseline meal, I’m just like your way and just like. Oh, my God, this sucks. Everything I tried, my family trying to papaya they hated it. I’m like, I just wish I could have this. Yeah, but I reacted to it something like okay I’m just doing the baseline and just getting no relief. But generally, I’m getting better, slightly better, slightly better. But then it reached the point where I’m like in baseline and it was like, I’m not improving and I’m just kind of like what I do. And that’s when I was like, I’m going back to my doctor and I need to look at the Lyme now. Because it was like I was healthy as I could be because I get up in the morning and have my rheumatoid arthritis just in my hands. And I basically have that effect until 10:00 a.m., 12:00, and then I would go normal. And, you know, I was like, OK, this is better than I was, you know, six months to eight months ago. But, you know, it’s still not where I should be and this was my life. And it almost kind of I wouldn’t say cause, you know. I disconnected from my family because as it comes at 10:00 at night, I’m feeling no pain and I’m like, you know, I want to stay up later because I living my life. I’d go to sleep and I’d wake up and the first thing I’d do is wake up, I’m in pain, just start that, you know, cicadas, cycling. You know, it’s like pain in the morning, I’m great at night. So my day started to shift just because of, you know, out to comfort. But ultimately I’m back at the Lyme doctor, I know. What do we do? And she was still kind of like antibiotics and I’m like, oh, you know, I don’t want to do that. You know, I was like, cause then it just wipes out everything I’ve done for last (inaudible). And I’m like, I’m back to square one.
Tim And the blessing in disguise was she left the office, the one that was working with. So then I was like, OK, the stream centre was the business I was going through. And they were very sensitive in the Lyme. So I’m like, well, I’m going to go to Dr. Strand, because he’s not going to leave if he leaves, the business is going to close. So luckily I get an appointment with him and it was about four months, four weeks later, I got in with him and then he was like. OK, so I see that you don’t want to do antibiotics, and I’m like, no I want to do everything natural, you know, I want to do herbs, spices or whatever, you know, I want to protect my gut. I’m like I really think, you know, I was just adamant like this gut bacteria is like what got me into this mess. And I’m like you know, I really want to say if my gut bacteria was healthy, maybe I went and got Lyme the way I did. You know, all these other symptoms, you know, I was always sensitive to gluten. You know, it’s like my history, my you know, it’s like it just traced everything back to my gut bacteria.
Tim So then he comes up with this new drug that’s out there and it’s called Disulphine, and it’s actually called anti-abuse. So it’s the drug that they give to alcoholics. What it causes is you give an alcoholic this drug, and if he touches any sort of alcohol, you’ll have like the wicked headache. But the quirk of it is all these research scientists went out there and they tested hundreds of drugs and it had a huge effect on Lyme. So it was four times more effective, actually ten times more effective than Doxy of treating Lyme. I was like, what do you want to do? I want to try it because I don’t anyway and it doesn’t compromise my stomach bacteria because it’s not an antibiotic and the best part about it is I went on that drug and immediately, you know, I’m like, wait, something’s changed and I could feel it in my system. I was I I wasn’t quite as reactive. So it’s kind of like going along. I took it for eight weeks and then I could just feel my immune system was like not quite as sensitive. You know, if I’d make one of those little indiscretions, I wasn’t paying for it. Like a noose. I knew something was different, and then just by a quirk of banner, I ended up wrench in my neck and I had to go to a doctor’s office and he gave me the prednisone. Just a small, you know, to treat that. So I took those for three days, and the funny thing is. I guess it would be the steroid in it turned off my immune system. So immediately all my symptoms went away and they went away. I kind of was, it told my immune system to calm down like, you know, the threat is over, the Lyme is dead. You know, so it’s kind of like, and I would still wake up in the morning and to have just like rheumatoid effects. I call it rheumatoid even though it’s not, you know, it’s the. And I so I know my symptoms are still out there, but it’s like it’s drastic (inaudible).
Tim The best part about your program was I could never have gotten down to some of the you know, I’m treating rheumatoid or my treat Lyme disease. And it’s kind of you get these two mystery diseases and they’re kind of like adding and fighting at the same time. And it’s kind of like, without your program and I hadn’t cleaned up my diet, I would have never known which was because it’s like to combat one, you kick, you know. If I treated Lyme the way normal doctors want to, they wouldn’t here with antibiotics, you know, to set me back. So I was stuck, you know. But it was kind of like using your protocol was the only mechanism that could go and get me down to the end. I got my body healthy and then I came up with this treatment that now, OK, the body could fight off the Lyme, OK now my Lyme is kind of gone away. Now I’m just left back to this rheumatoid immune response, just subtle responses. So I know I still haven’t got out of the ballpark. I just actually did another G.I. map to find out, Okay where am I sitting on a GI map to find out where I’m sitting on the good bacteria. And then I wake up in the morning kind of personally and feel two minutes of slight pain, you know, I’m still here. But in some ways, that’s a blessing, too, because starting back on your program, I weighed two hundred and sixty-five pounds, now I weigh 160 pounds. So I lost 100 pounds. You know, it’s going like this is like life-changing. You know, there’s kind of like I’m telling my son, I’m like, you know, I ran a mile just the other day, you know, like I’m gonna run a seven-minute mile here, you know? So that’s like one of my goals. Just, you know, I want to eat healthy. You know, I want to be more physically fit. And it was all using your program. Because it just kind of like doing all of this you as a patient, you have to be like your biggest advocate. You know, it’s like, you know, each doctor is going to have their modality that they just focus on. My one doctor was always focussed on Lyme, you know, my urologist was focussed on my prostitis. But, you know, I can never in my business, I’m an engineer that does a lot of troubleshooting on high tech equipment. And it’s kind of like, you know, do the symptoms fit the problem? And really, what was masking it? Because I had the two problems and they overlap was made it very difficult.
Tim I’m sitting here rambling.
Clint No, no, not rambling at all. I haven’t said too much because it’s been so fascinating and you are such a good storyteller that I was drawn in and didn’t see the need to interrupt. A couple of questions and I’ll play devil’s advocate here for people who are listening to this and wanting to know more. First of all, can you tell us specifically just spend one minute or two so just clarifying exactly what medication it is that you took for the Lyme? Give us the sort of the colloquial name and also the brand name. What dosage you took? How often and for how long?
Tim So doxy was the big one. That’s kind of like the and I know I was on it for about eight months.
Clint Not the doxycycline? We all know that one because that’s the one that actually destroyed my gut. I took doxycycline for five years for acne and then I took it again for about three months prior to going to the Middle East and developed the rheumatoid shortly after getting back from the Middle East. We know that one.
Clint I’m talking about the one that was actually taken, that the remission state, the alcoholics’ type, that was the one that seemed to shift the bar for you.
Tim It’s called Disulfiram. Originally it was used to vulcanise rubber back in the 50s. So it’s kind of like something in the industrial world. The problem was, is that then all of a sudden they were the workers at the fabrication started having problems with alcohol. So then all of a sudden the scientists started researching it. So then they actually kind of do purposely like, wait, this is a treatment now for alcoholics. You know, we can use this as a drug to treat alcoholics because, you know, they take the pill. They want to stay from alcohol because they get wicked hangovers. And I was familiar with it because I was in the Navy. If you had any sort of alcohol incident, the Navy would put you on this drug category. We’re not playing around with you. We don’t want personnel problems. Take this drug.
Tim So I was familiar with it when he mentioned it. And it’s one that you have to you know, here in the Northeast, it’s in high demand. I had a hard time finding it because it’s not in high demand, usually because they do not allow a lot of alcoholics running around in the world. So it’s very, you know. So I had to go down to the point where I’m calling pharmacy to pharmacy like “Do you have pills? I want your pills.” You know, and I’m like driving around, you know, within 100 miles to get these pills. But I was desperate. I’m like, I got to try this as my only mechanism to keep my bacteria. And I got healthy and combat this Lyme. So it’s kind of like it’s a build-up and it’s one of these drugs that, you know, you have to take like one 250 milligrams one day, wait a day, take it to another. And you’re kind of oscillating building up. You know, in the next week, you take it every day and the next week you take two a day. So it’s a gradual build-up.
Tim It took me a month to build up to the final dose of 500 milligrams. And the same thing, it’s like when you get off, you taper it off. But it was such a godsend because I was in this Pandora’s box and like, you know, I’m like, how do I defeat Lyme without killing my stomach bacteria? And then I was like, I came along and I’m so thankful a year ago when I didn’t go with the doctor’s agreement, like I put you back on antibiotics. And she was like, “what’s your plan” and I’m like “I’ll tell you that when I get to the end, I don’t have a plan right now. But right now, I need health and I need to get healthy.” And that’s all I say. And it was a godsend. That drug came into my life.
Tim And you’re still taking it or you’re off of it. And how are your Lyme markers now?
Tim So I’m off of it. And my Lyme mark markers are gone.
Clint That’s freaking incredible, isn’t it?
Tim And so I’m like sending out actually this morning before I had this interview with you, I’m sending out to local editors, to newspapers like these. It’s chronic. I’m like, you’ve got to publish something about this Disulfiram because, you know, I’m in the Lyme world and I hadn’t even heard of it. But I’m like, get it out there. It’s cheap. You know, it’s like a month’s worth of pills. That’s 10 bucks.
Clint To what extent do you think that your dietary, if it’s helped with getting the Disulfiram’s result? Or do you think that someone who could just be eating a crappy Western diet take this drug and get results like you do? Well, just I mean, I know it’s just a guess, but what are your thoughts on it?
Tim So I’m I’m reading into some of the doctor’s results. So he sends like 60 peoples on his test cycle and he’s put in 70 percent of the people. He’s put it into remission.
Tim To me, that’s like catastrophically great results, you know? And I just wonder, I’m like. Is it diet related? Because it’s like part of the Lyme doctrine is you have to clean up your diet. You have to get out of gluten. You have to get out of dairy, which is very similar to a lot of Paddison that you recommend. So I know there’s people out there are more strict about that. So, you know, without looking at all the paper records, I’m like, wow, is that the reason that people are, you know, getting their diets, getting their bodies, you know, removing the stress from the immune system and that, you know, if all the 60 people with (inaudible), you know. You know, I think it’s heavily in the diet right now. My world is all about diet.
Clint Well, we know that disease-modifying drugs for rheumatoid arthritis and also biologic drugs. So if we’re talking about Methotrexate, Sulfasalazine, these sort of drugs, Plaquenil and then all biologic range, the effectiveness of these drugs is influenced by the quality of the microbiome. So there are papers on that. I mean, we know that the microbiome is one of the variables as to how the drug will perform. So you cannot have a downside for having a better healthy gut. And we should all be working on being the healthiest possible version of ourselves, regardless of if we’re on meds or not on meds because it even helps the meds work better.
Tim Yes, I agree 100 percent.
Clint So do you think that Lyme disease was having an impact on your rheumatoid arthritis? And here’s a better question: Do you think you develop the rheumatoid or psoriatic arthritis symptoms because you took the antibiotics for long?
Tim If I look at my immune system as a whole, that a Lyme was a portion about, you know, it’s in the background and it’s tickling. You know, it’s tickling my immune system. So it’s kind of already put my immune system on edge. And at the same time, you know, it’s like. Once I started the limit, you know, so I had, you know, it’s almost like in my immune system, it’s almost like cumulatively Lyme was adding a certain portion. My diet was adding a certain portion. And I had to use that metaphor. I had to start peeling away the onion to just find out, you know, to tell my immune system to calm down, relax, relax and go to sleep.
Tim I do believe that my immune system and this is me, I’m not a medical expert, but I believe if I were to had a healthy immune system and I would have had a fully functioning bacteria in my stomach might hydrochloric acid. Because if your stomach acid is just like a chemical filter, you know, it’s a biological filter, you know, bad stuff stays out because you kill it going through the stomach. And, you know, if I’ve had all those things running, I would have probably been one of those people that maybe does a short course of antibiotics and the Lyme would go away.
Tim You know, I would never have progressed into this chronic Lyme portion that, you know, it’s so detrimental to some people up here in the Northeast.
Tim You know, and the medical experts are kind of dismissive about it, there is no such thing as a chronic Lyme. But there is. There are enough people that get it. So it’s like, why does one person get cured by 21 days of antibiotics and other people lifelong effects just decimates their life? I believe it’s because I had that compromised immunity. My stomach wasn’t up to speed, you know. So it’s kind of like everything kind of my lifestyle put me in that mess that I was in. And actually, that was one of the things. You had a young gentleman, and I believe he was in Notre Dame was becoming a priest.
Clint Yeah. Gabriel.
Tim Gabriel, one of the things he kind of was saying that it was accepted kind of like he is cured, you know until he accepted it and it was like that always stuck with me and I kinda would wake up every day. It was like I got myself into this. You know, I’d say, you know, that’s kind of I accept what God’s doing to me because there’s a purpose. And once there was a purpose to this, you know, then it was more acceptable because I’m like, God’s got a purpose into this. And, you know, being about it. And he was. I’d be like this thorn that you put in my life. And it’s why is this here? More acceptance? Because it’s like without that thorn, you wouldn’t have cured yourself. You wouldn’t eat better. You wouldn’t take care of yourself.
Tim So that’s why. Now, even though my Lyme symptoms have gone away and I still have that slight arthritic. I’m like, it’s totally acceptable because I know deep down, if the symptoms would go away within a year I’d weigh two hundred sixty-five pounds. But God’s got the gun peddling. Don’t screw it up again. You know, so it makes that much more acceptable. Knowing like all this is with purpose, you know, like this makes sense. You know, it’s like, you know, five years ago, I’m in the doctor’s office for the Lyme. And I just wanted a pill. Give me a pill, you know, give me four pills. I’ll take whatever pills. OK, I’ll quit in gloom. OK, but, you know, five years later, I’m 100 pounds lighter. You know, my bacteria, my stomach are much stronger. I’m a different person, you know. And it’s all because of the Paddison Program, you know, kind of got me there to the point where I could, you know, eradicate Lyme, you know, now I could just now I can just instead of fighting two battles, now I can just go back to, OK, where’s my stomach?
Tim I don’t remember because I just became the (inaudible). You know, I’m doing all the research. I listen to podcasts and any sort of calling about immunity. You know, one guy was like talking about all the different ways that, you know, increase your bacteria and it’s like, oh, start using cold starches, you know,.
Clint Yeah, I remember that might have been with Dr. Hurellak. He’s a gut microbiome expert and he talked about, you know, the reheating of foods and letting them cool down and all sorts of interesting stuff. Yeah.
Tim So, you know, I’m at the STEM centre. I’m talking to a nutritionist and she’s like talking about a bacteria or potato an (inaudible) bacteria. A potato. And I’m like, sitting and I go rambling on this because I knew the background about this guy and it was totally over her head. She had no clue why. She just somebody had told her it was a good idea. And here I’m sitting here, this young lady, I’m like, I got more information than you do about some of this stuff. I’m paying you 70 bucks.
Tim So I’m like, oh. But it was my job because it’s like, who was gonna take you know, you got to be your greatest advocate because everybody’s got their own side of you but it’s like I’m the one living in this body. I know. You know, at the time, I just wanted to have a cold potato. But I couldn’t because you know, now I’m starting to have cold potatoes just because I’m like I can. And it doesn’t cause me five days of pain. So that’s the best part. Now it’s like peaso, so I can finally (inaudible)
Tim So, you know, I’m back to your list and it took me a year to get off the stage one, you know, but now I’m looking at all those. Okay. Stage two, what can I add? I’m like, oh, my God, this has been such a long process, but oh, man.
Clint Can I relate, everything you’ve said I can relate to so much. You know, we’re both engineers. I did a laser physics degree of the electronics and I went into that field for five years. It took me a year to get off the baseline, just like you. It felt like it was just failure after failure. And I just felt like, you know, I had to basically adopt it as my life’s mission to try and get well before I actually got the results. You know? Just just trying to do it. Even 99 percent wasn’t enough. It’s just you have to be all in to the point of obsession almost. That’s why, you know, I’ve been sitting back and listening so quietly throughout everything you’ve been saying, because it’s just been so fascinating to me.
Clint And what I want to ask you is before I just then just pick your brains for a few quick tips from you. You know, as a physicist and someone who’s got an engineering mind, how has this felt in terms of satisfaction or interest levels or in terms of a project? How’s it felt as a person and as a personal development project to go through this process in a way that was almost forced upon you? You didn’t ask for this disease. You didn’t ask for these problems. I mean, is there an element of you that has changed? Do you feel like somewhat enlightened or is there a way that you would describe how you feel about having been through this journey from a positive viewpoint and as a personal development point?
Tim Usually from personal development, because we had a farm here and, you know, we raise our sheep and we have animals and always along the line. I had an engineer’s mind because I was like, everything has to have a function. It’s like, if it doesn’t have a function, why is it on my farm? So I’m like, oh, we had the sheep because, you know, we’re going to eat it or we’re going to sell it.
Tim If everything had to have function, you know, I’m like and I wouldn’t say there was no joy. My joy was, you know, trying to make this stuff work. You know, it’s kind of like sheep’s set, how how do I fix it. You know, the tractor is not, you know, how do I fix it? So in everything. I was a very practical mind. And then kind of going along this way. And I’m just like my foot was nailed to the floor. And this one year, eat the baseline, eat the baseline can never get out of it. You know, just circle a circle. My wife’s like, you know, I really hope you figure out what God’s trying to teach you because this really sucks right now.
Tim I don’t know what he’s trying to teach me but if I figured. And then I think the point was Lyme just devastated me, my wife got Lyme too. So she had to deal with Lyme, too. And then, you know, our beloved golden retriever in the family, it came down with Lyme and by time we knew it headline it was in kidney failure. And we lost her to my you know, as much as I tried and we tried to fix her, she passed away. And it was devastating because I’ve looked that was like the one I never tried to control or change. You know, I just love that dog and was kind of like it was the point where I was like that dog had no function on this farm. It was like it was just purely love. It wasn’t a good guard dog because it would just, you know, basically pee if anybody came in because it so happened. You know, I just showed unconditional love to anybody, you know. So it was like that’s all that dog had was love. And it was just kind of like. From a personal perspective, I make. Wow. Maybe there’s more to life than just function. You know, it’s like it was kind of like almost a shifting in my personality because it was kind of like, wait. Love is so important.
Tim It’s like, you know, you always hear about the golden rule. I was like, God kind of winked at me when he told me about the golden rule through a golden retriever. The retriever showed me what the golden rule was and it’s all about love.
Tim And it was this kind of like such a dramatic shift in mind, body and spirit was shifted on this kind of like all of this time that came at the same time as the Lyme treatment, and Disulfiram came into my world. And I’m just kind of like looking at people in a more, you know, how can I show them love on a daily basis? So it was. And I think that was the end. You know, everything just kind of like got better. But, you know, like I said five years ago, when I just want to tell from the doctor to make my Lyme go away to what I am today is just totally different.
Clint Yeah. And it’s a transformation that is, you know, it is beautiful in some ways. I mean, to be talking about wanting to show people more love, you know, God’s working through you in that way. And you may never, you know, may never have gotten to this level of. I want to say, you know, wholesomeness, if you hadn’t had this experience. We have to find these wonderful, good things in these horrible experiences. I mean, there’s a lesson in every suffering.
Tim And it’s like, you know, kind of ironic that you know, it’s come into Christmas season with the old Christmas story. While I was battling this rheumatoid arthritis. And my parents came to live with me for about a year. When I turned 18, I went to join the military and I really haven’t been home since except for visits. But, you know, I kind of jokingly back then, I kind of was like, oh, this is like a Christmas story, because with my parents, with me, I could see the past, the present and the future, what they became. And I was like I was kind of shocked that, you know, because my dad was dealing with cancer and he was pretty much terminal with cancer. And my mom was his caregiver. And the part that was really ugly that I got to see is he was on a lot of painkillers and she got into his painkillers. So while they were here I had to be the good son and try to take painkillers away from my mom and I found out how strong addictions can just override love. And, you know, but at the same time, all this has gone on. You know, I’m like, if I don’t change, that’s what I’m going to become.
Tim You know, I’m like, I gotta find a way to change or I’m going to be these bitter two that are in my house now. So it was a progression. You know, it’s kind of I got to see the past. I got to see the future. And it was just so ugly. And then I’m like, still in this health crisis. It’s like every day I’m waking up in pain and it was chronic pain, but it was just kind of like. Finally, in the last month or two, everything just kind of broke the Lyme went away. The good thing is my dog died, but it was kind of like, put it on my face like love. Love is just so important. For me, it’s like you’ve changed. And I hope it sticks.
Clint Well, this has been absolutely fascinating. I think that you should continue to push forward with your goals to try and teach more people or reach out to more people have the potential of that particular medication. You know, given that it’s had such great results for yourself and it seems like you’re quoting from medically published journals, the results that it’s had for other people with Lyme. So I’m really pleased that you’ve been able to share that on this platform. And, you know, whilst we might get some comments from people, you know, as you mentioned before, there are some people, the naysayers, that there might be some people who have Lyme. And this information that you’ve just shared today could be life changing. So I’m really excited to get feedback on this. I want anyone with a Lyme who watches this to to give us feedback and tell us if they’ve been able to source some of the Disulfiram and whether or not it’s worked for them. If their doctor believes that it’s a suitable medication, of course, for them.
Clint Because I want to develop a little bit of a discussion around this and see if we can find out if this is gonna be suitable for a lot more people. And then just to wrap up, I was wondering if there’s anything, any problems along the way that you had on a micro scale going through this process that you were able to solve, that you might be able to share to help people. Something on a much smaller scale, maybe, you know, the way that you reheated the foods or the way that you played the mind games of sticking with the program. Anything that you think might help in case, you know, we haven’t covered it yet.
Tim Every day I had to hear your voice in my head, like, you just want one percent. You just want one percent. And every day I’m looking at your menu that you had like baseline and the different foods and different groups and I’d be like I wish I could go beyond phase 2, but then it’s like I’m coaching myself 1 percent. And really that kind of like just being happy with that little bit extra. You know, it’s like, you know, you kept saying this is a long march. You know this is could be one to two years before you fix yourself. It’s hard. You know, it’s really hard when you just wake up in the morning and you’re in pain. You can’t even see the sunrise before you feel the pain. But I had to keep it on hearing your voice, 1 percent, one percent and just keep pushing through. You know, it’s like you know, do I feel better than I did? Yes, OK. Keep pushing through. So the micro just kind of like. Don’t have expectations of how fast this is going to be and it just takes a long time.
Clint Yeah. Fantastic. Yeah, it’s great to reiterate that. And, you know, we didn’t get sick in a short period of time and the body took many, many years to develop the problem. So it’s obviously going to take time to unravel and reverse a lot of these problems. And, you know, I’m glad that stuck in your mind because it was my experience. You know, I and that’s what I stuck to. I just like if I can be 1 percent better in a month, that’s enough, because eventually, I’ll get there. Right. It’s cumulative. These 1 percent. So I will get there in the end.
Clint You had nobody to coach you at the time. You’re kind of flying blind at that time just by gut. At least I could be like well Clint did it this way. I guess sometimes, you know, when you’re developing things, it’s always quicker and easier to being number two in the race. It’s a guy who’s first. It takes the longest. He’s out there when nobody’s leading him. You are a trendsetter. Now we’re all just following you.
Clint Yeah, well, I made a lot of mistakes. It took a long, lot longer than it should have. And, you know, I. I wish I had known what I know now because it would have saved me a lot of cartilage in my left knee and it would have saved me cartilage in my left and right elbow. But hey, look, you know, we talk about, you know, God’s mission in our life and stuff. And I. I wouldn’t swap the cartilage for the impact that I feel that we’ve been able to have as a community and share this information. So my elbow is working okay enough for me to lift weights at the gym that I want to lift. And so, you know, life goes on. We know we move forward and we just take our blessings and work with the challenges and look for our 1 percent and all the things we talked about.
Clint So, you know, there we go. So I just want to thank you for sharing this. This has been fascinating for me. I’ve learnt today some things, too. I know Lyme is not my specialty. I don’t claim to have a solution or expertise in that area. So it’s been totally fascinating. And, you know, I’m obviously sorry to hear about your experience and the loss of your your most beloved pet. And your wife got sick with it as well. So, I mean, just before we close. Can you identify a moment in which you feel that you were bitten by a tick or do you feel that there was a causative moment?
Tim It was unknown. It just one day I’m back visiting my parents five years ago and I got the (inaudible). No clue of when it happened. Never saw a tick. Just caught me off guard.
Clint Mm-hmm. Yeah. Sure. Some people would be wondering about that as well.
Tim But if anybody does contact you and want any sort of information, you have my contact. Send it my way. I am totally willing to help talk, you know, steer , you know, give him anything else or talk, you know, coach. This morning, I’m sending out letters to the local newspapers, to the editors, like you’ve got to put something out into the newspapers about this treatment. You know, it’s like it’s here. You know, it’s like we to need help people in pain. We need to help them. We’ll see what happens.
Clint Yeah. Fabulous. Thank you for that generosity. What you’ll do is contact me email@example.com. Send three questions if you have about this episode. Anything you might want to ask him and I’ll forward them on to his e-mail address so that we keep his personal details private. But you will be able to reach and get to him that way. So, Tim, thank you so much. As I said, fascinating discussion here. And it’s just been a pleasure to have you on.
Tim Thanks, Clint. God bless.