We discuss in this interview:
- Suzanne’s fabulous outcome following the Paddison Program for Rheumatoid Arthritis
- Nut butters and coconut oils – popular, but do they harm?
- Journals as a tool for progress monitoring
- Cheating with coffee! Really that bad?
- Exercising at home – making it successful
- Visualisation for success
- Green juices and smoothies – how crucial are they?
Clint Today, I’ve got a guest with me who is in Virginia and her name is Suzanne and she’s going to share how she’s made tremendous improvements with her rheumatoid arthritis. By following the Paddison Program and making lifestyle changes. And we’re going to then cover all the problems that she encountered along the way and how she was able to resolve those. And so we’re going to learn a lot and this is gonna be really actionable and helpful interview. So thanks for coming on and sharing your story and your helpful tips, Suzanne.
Suzanne Thank you so much. I appreciate the opportunity to do this, because I know how much I look forward to listening to every Paddison Program podcast I can get my hands on. So I really appreciate just knowing that, you know, it’ll be out there for somebody else to watch later and I appreciate being a part of that. So thank you for allowing me that opportunity.
Clint Yes, I think there’s always something new in each episode. I’m sure that people gain something from every interview. Sometimes it’s maybe as simple as just a key message that’s reinforced and other times. You know, I’ve had people highlight particular interviews that have been the one pivotal moment for them that has transformed their approach or their health or whatever. So either at the spectrum, we’re going to begin to create some help in some way. So let’s get the snapshot. Let’s get this 30 second TV commercial. Susan used to be this. And now I’m this. Let’s hear it.
Suzanne Okay, great. So just beginning back in the day, I had inflammation that started in my left knuckle of my hand right here. It was like a little golf ball. And I had no idea, you know, anything about R.A. or any thing about autoimmune diseases or anything I’m real healthy person. And I thought, is it salt? Is it popcorn? Did I have too much popcorn? What was it? You know, but it just all of a sudden showed up and then it kind of faded away after a few days. And then all of a sudden I started having pain in my left knee.
Suzanne So that was a new thing. And I’m like, well, am I running too much? Am I running wrong? Am I not stretching? Then I went in and had that checked and they said, wow you have a torn meniscus. How did I do that? There was really no accident or any reason that I would have had one. And then I started having some ankle trouble and I thought, I really got to quit running. I just gotta quit doing that. You know, so. And then I started getting some pain in my toes. And then I thought, wow, this is ridiculous what’s happening? And these pains did not all stay in my body together. They kind of came and went. You know, so that I would get relief from one, but then another would crop up. And then one would maybe come back. So that was kind of the history of it.
Suzanne And then finally, I think the breaking point was just when I felt that my knees were oddly a little larger than I thought they should be. They just looked different than normal. And so I went in and I had my doctor run some tests and she said, you know, let’s do an RA test and see. I’m like, OK. That’s great. I was pretty sure it’ll come back negative. But it did come back positive. And she said, you need to see a rheumatologist because you’ve got some numbers here that are, you know, probably within definitely within the realm of having RA.
Suzanne And I said, all right, let me think about that. I always tell my doctor that. Let me think about that, because I really want to go home and think about these things and research. So I went home and I researched and I found you because I typed in the search bar healing from R.A. naturally.
Suzanne And because I just knew that there had to be a better way than medication. And I knew that’s what they were going to do for me. Put me on medication. So, yeah. So I did that and I started on the Paddison Program. And now a small snapshot like what you’re looking for is just I don’t have any knee pain anymore. My knees are normal size. I don’t have any ankle pain.
Suzanne I have minimal finger, not even pain. I would call them aches once in a while, just like an ache. I can totally close my fist easily and that used to be a hard thing for a while. And on the wrist, pain is still there. It’s definitely not a 9 like it used to be. So it’s kind of at a level like a three now. But that’s something that I’m looking for forward to overcoming. So that’s my little snapshot.
Clint Well, that’s fantastic. And over what time period are we talking here?
Suzanne So when I look back, knowing what I know now, I think things started, you know, quite a while ago. I’d say about 2014 when things started. So that was five years ago. And I think if they would have diagnosed me, if they would have if I knew about having an R.A test, probably I would have come up positive. But then now I look at it and it’s like five years. And I think with my eating style and my exercise and all the things that I put into it, I’m still not on R.A drugs. So I’m thankful.
Clint Okay. Yeah. Great.
Clint All right. Well, um, let’s. It sounds like you managed to bypass the medical system entirely. Did you take any of the painkillers or anything like that just to alleviate some of the I guess, the troubling pain while you’re going through the program?
Suzanne Right. OK. So at first, I didn’t. And I just really didn’t need it at first. But then there was one point I think it was about 2016.
Suzanne About three years ago, I had surgery for carpal tunnel syndrome. And because I had numbness in one of my hands and it was fantastic because it totally alleviated that. I mean, I could wake up in the morning and totally feel my hand and that was a rare day. So I was really happy I had that done. And so I started taking an NZED, which is meloxicam Mobic, as it’s called. And that seems to help me. In just sufficient for me and it’s easier, gentler on the stomach than other NZED, so I do take that I have lowered the dose over the years, so I’m on my way out of it, I think.
Clint Yeah, okay. Fantastic. And so just before we get into some of the more the details of going through the program and things that came up for you that were challenging that you’ve been able to to work through.
Clint What time frame are we talking about from when you started the Paddison Program to today?
Suzanne So I started the Paddison Program, I have to say, had a mini start back in 2017 because I didn’t sign up for the forum and everything yet, but do you have a section where you can download the e-book? And so I did that and I had it spiral bound. So I got all my notes in my highlighting, my underlining and because. Computers are great and reading it digitally is fine. But I’m kind of a visual person, so I really needed to have it in front of me so I can highlight and look back and just have it with me. So that helped me a lot. So I did that at first. And it worked great because I pretty much stuck to it. And I was I was doing really well,.
Suzanne Except about a year later, I realized that I feel like I’m kind of failing at it because I’m not. I know I was doing the program correctly, but I felt like my mind really wasn’t in the right place. And I think that’s where support comes in. So I talked to my husband and I said, you know, I think I need support. I think I need to go on and get on the whole program. And he’s very supportive for me. And he knows a lot about just having support in counseling and things like that because he’s a John Maxwell, one of John Maxwell guys. So he’s like, you know, I see the validity in having support. And I think that you should do it. So I did.
Suzanne And I think that’s when I really say that the program started working for me and has continued to work for me. So the support is like 80 percent of this program.
Clint Yes. Fantastic. Okay. Wonderful.
Clint All right. Well, let’s get into some of the nitty-gritty. We wanted to cover together you and I discussed how we could add some things to this interview that are different so that people who watch every episode can soon get some new things. Can you run through some of the things that you’ve found challenging in ways that you’re able to work around them in any particular order, whether it be with regards to the food or exercise challenges. And we can discuss them one at a time.
Suzanne OK. Sounds good. So when I when I started, I was always a healthy, I would say a healthy eater. And I think a lot of people on your podcast, in your program, have said the same thing. I mean they thought they were what was considered healthy, eating healthy. My issue being a vegan at the time was that I had a lot of nut butters and things that I was eating and coconut oils and things which were in a lot of the foods that I would make. And so I found that, though, to this day I don’t eat nut butters and I don’t eat things with (inaudible) and coconut oil. And I can’t because I know that they directly affect my risk. I’d say in about 24 to 48 hours, you know, and you state that in your program that it’s going to show up. You know, sometimes it can be even longer than that. But if you keep a little journal of what you’re eating, which I have done, so I’ve got this little book here that I’m all being R.A., you know, and I write all of my food that I try and symptoms that I have. And so I can always look back and see how long it took me to have a symptom from something, so it’s easier to do that way and then it doesn’t leave it vague in your mind. So you’re just not sure what it is.
Clint Yeah. That’s fantastic. So there are two things there. I don’t want to skip too quickly on to talking about the journal. I want to talk more about that. But you mentioned the nut butters question comes up more often than I would have imagined. You know, people actually ask more often, can I have nut butters? Can I have almond butter, particularly almond butter and some of the other nut.macadamia nut butter and things more often than the nuts themselves, which I think is interesting. First of all, I think. What are you putting it on? I mean, are you eating bread? If you’re eating bread, then you’re pretty advanced through the program. Things are going pretty well.
Clint You know, it might be okay to have these nut butters, but when we think in terms of oxidative stress and we’re trying to avoid adding free radical load once we crush up that nut and expose it to oxygen. Think about the outside of an apple that’s protective. Once we cut through and then we’ve got the apple exposed to the oxygen, it quickly oxygenate and you can see the brown this form on the apple within probably 15, 20 minutes. And I have the same paranoia and I haven’t got, you know, studies on this to support this. But my paranoia on this is that we’ve changed the dynamic of the nut by making it a nut butter. It’s no longer a whole food. It’s an oxidized whole food. And when we are really delicate as we are with rheumatoid arthritis, we are the most delicate of human beings when it comes to diet and exercise.
Clint I think we should be going for the, you know, the whole version of the food. And so I find that interesting and revalidating my views on the nut butters and of course, the coconut oils. And whilst there’s a whole community of people who don’t follow the sort of path that we do in the paleo and, you know, Keto kind of camps who think that coconut oil is a health food, which we know in the science is not just in Paddison Program world. You know, we know that coconut oil is going to cause inflammation in an autoimmune body. So we don’t want to be doing that. So, yeah, I just wanted to make sure that people didn’t gloss too much over the important information. Nut butters, if you want to go down that path, try the nuts first. I like pistachio nuts are actually highly antioxidant. Great pistachio nuts. Yeah, cashew nuts. So another good option and potentially almonds as well. But I like them in that order. Pistachios, cashews and almonds in that order. And they’re all going to be dry roasted. Dry roasted. Yeah.
Clint So and they did take me a long time to be able to eat those.
Suzanne And I’m not actually I’m not at the point where I can eat those like to sit down, eat those as a snack. I may be able to put a few whole nuts or even just if I crush them myself. Raw whole nuts on a salad. Yeah. Which I don’t often do because I don’t ever want to guess that that’s wrong for me or not. But if you think of the nut butters, I mean imagine how many because I make my own. I used to make my own nut butters when I was eating nut butters and you know it takes like a whole bag of nuts to make just a little bit of nut butter. So imagine even if you’re not thinking about the oxidative part of it. Think about the quantity of nuts that you’re actually spreading on that bread. It’s incredibly a large amount.
Suzanne If you think of it in those terms. So you’ve got a whole bag of nuts that you put in the food processor and now you get a little bit of nut butter out of it and you’ve got where you’re going to put it maybe a tablespoon or so on it on a piece of bread. I mean, no one that’s a lot of fat. And number two, that’s a whole lot of nuts. That’s a whole lot more than you could eat in an hour if you climbed the tree and started eating the nuts.
Clint Most definitely. Yes. Yep.
Suzanne That’s pretty natural.
Clint Exactly. You know, that’s another great point. Exactly.
Clint All right. Well, let’s now talk about the journal. You’ve created this journal. Let’s kind of introduce your journal again and tell us how you use it. Can you give us a peek inside even?
Suzanne Yeah. Yeah, sure. OK. So this is the journal and I called it beating RA because that’s what I’m doing. We’re all doing that. So we have to keep in the forefront of our mind that we are beating this. We are beating it. So, yes. So what I did is I just started out by in the flap. I just wrote my test results so that I could always look back and see where I came from. So these were my very first test results. So that was a good reference point for me. And then I just you know, I’ll just like put on there and like the date. And actually I would put in some that’s how much I weigh if that if weight is an issue for people. It’s not always an issue for me. I’m certainly not a thin person, but I’m also not overweight. When I first started the Paddison Program I did lose about 10 pounds, I’d say. But, you know, after you start adding in a lot of the grains and things, I mean, you gain that back, you know?
Suzanne So it. I don’t have a problem with being too thin, but then, I normally stay within 10 pounds of where I’m at any weight. So, yeah. So this journal has helped me to understand, especially going through the first three days when you juice fast. It helps. It helped me to sort out just the mental aspect of doing the Paddison Program because I could write down how I felt.
Suzanne And you go through some crazy feelings when you’re not eating. You know, in your mind you’re just like, is this worth it or is this going to be a never-ending thing? Or, you know, how will I ever get back to being a normal person again? And then you go through aches and pains. And it’s really nice to look back on this and see, oh, yeah. This caused a backache back then. So if I do a reboot. Like if I go back and do it again. I know what to look for. And it doesn’t scare me anymore because I journal it and I already know what’s going to happen to my body in a general way when I start rebooting again or.
Suzanne And I must say, when I first started and I did write this down in the journaling section on your website, the Paddison Program, that I never want to start over and I still feel like I don’t want to start over. I want to keep going forward. But I have realized the benefit of saying, you know, there are some tweaks that I need to make and I need to go back and go to the basics. And like you said, many times, the basics guideline can move off as to what foods you know for sure that you can handle. So you don’t have to go back to just sell, reduce or just spinach salad. I mean, you can. Like you said, add in the things that you know are OK for you. So it’s not scary anymore. So when you journal, you can look back and say, you know, I’m comfortable with this now. I can do it. I know what to expect. And I’m very hopeful for what’s going to happen. You know, also that I think for me, that’s the importance of journaling.
Clint Yeah, I completely agree. I have records everywhere. Old exercise books like the one you have, maybe not quite as colourful. And I’ve got I have a what I call my life sheet on Google Sheets. Okay. So it’s like, you know, the Excel sheet spreadsheet that Google has that I can access on my phone or anywhere. And I will make updates in that of things that I’m doing all the time. And, you know, it just so that’s kind of across the board.
Clint So that might be I bite twice today. I did this with regards to my exercise or so and I went to become I even make notes as to what I was able to achieve in bikram class. I mean, it’s pretty detailed.
Clint And then I have a separate one for the gym, and so I have a little book and I haven’t got it with me. A little book that cuts in the glove box of the car. And every time I go to the gym, I write down specifically how many reps on which machine, on which day and I can always look back and see. And just like you, I make notes of what doesn’t work. So if there are some things and there are for me, particularly with my elbows, that that are damaged, if I try and do heavy things that my elbows don’t like, I noticed that the next day and I make a note and I go back and then if I experience that again, I looked back and I saw that because I did that exercise that I knew that was bad for my elbows because I wrote down last time.
Clint And you know, you build this, I guess you build your own sort of set of rules for yourself and this comfort of knowing that, okay, that doesn’t work. So I’m going to avoid that. So I love the journaling. And, you know, that’s one of the reasons that I put the support forum together, is because it’s in the public published literature that people who write down their problems with rheumatoid arthritis on a regular basis actually have a better health outcome than those people who don’t. And people who talk about their problems, not even to a therapist, but just other people, have a better health outcome. So if we are not talking or writing down about what we’re experiencing, it’s almost like it’s like almost not going to the bathroom and getting out what needs to get out. And it builds up and becomes toxic.
Clint And they don’t even know it because it’s subconscious. So it’s just festering under there. And you can’t see things go wrong and then you just don’t know why. Why is this happening to me or why am I stressed out or, you know, how do I get to this place all of a sudden when you wake up in the morning and say, you know, why? Why am I here in this in this way right now? Because you haven’t understood the underlying issue that’s been going on and it just brought it to the forefront of your mind so that you can tackle it.
Clint Yeah, yeah, for sure. All right. Well, thank you. I love that. I could talk all day about the journaling and record keeping. Anthony Robbins says that what we record improves and what we record and then share with others improves exponentially.
Suzanne I agree.
Clint Absolutely. Such a lovely. It’s it’s beautiful.
Clint Okay. So what else can you tell us that you’ve found little cheats for or hacks for?
Suzanne OK, so. Well, yes. When you say the word cheat. So here’s a little cheat that I will confess. The first three months I did not drink coffee, that I went a hundred percent off of it. And it took me about five days to detox from it because that’s some strong stuff. You know, caffeine is not good for you. And I know that. So I actually started drinking coffee again. And I say my mood improved. I don’t like to tell people that, but, you know.
Suzanne But then I thought I started feeling a little bit guilty and I thought, you know. It might keep me that guilt feeling is also not a good stressor to have and it kept me from coming back on and just saying, hey, I’m dealing with this. So. You know, I went for this is not right. Because this causes stress. And so I thought I’m just going to let you know that right up front that I started having it my cup of coffee.
Suzanne And yes, it’s not ideal, but I just wanted to address the fact that. I got to the point where I didn’t want to let it stop me. I could have made a decision at that point and said, well, OK. So I had coffee. Now I have to quit the Paddison Program and I’m just a failure. You know, I could have done that, but I decided that you know, everybody’s got their little thing that is difficult in life and that they’re dealing with and they’re trying to work out. However, they’re not there yet. They’re not perfect. And I’m certainly not perfect and I’m not there yet. But I have a lot of things to look forward to. So I just decided that, you know what? I’m still going to stay with the Paddison Program because of the fundamentals of the program and everything about it add value to my life and help me to just sustain this human journey and to look forward to the day when I’m not going to have any of those pain.
Suzanne So if there is something that’s holding someone back, whatever it is, whether it’s that cup of coffee or whether it’s that fact that they just can’t stand Bikram or whether it’s and I’ve got some to say on Bikram because I actually like it. But, you know, no matter what it is that thing, maybe, maybe it’s a social circumstance where they can’t they just can’t not go out with friends and have a drink or something. I don’t know. But don’t let that keep you 100 percent from the program. Because I think I would do myself a disservice if I didn’t continue. So I just made the decision that I’m going to go on with it and everyday I’m going to strive to do better in every aspect, whether it’s exercise or my diet or whatever it is. And I’ll get there someday, just like everybody else. We’re human.
Clint And let’s face it, if having a cup of coffee each day makes you stick with the other 99 percent of the program, then you are certainly ahead of the game. And I think that it would be a little bit of a far fetched claim to say that the cup of coffee would undermine progress when you’re doing all the other things correctly. I think the truth is that, you know, each bite of food or each drink that we have and each movement that we make and each thought that we have, you know, everything has one of these.
Clint Like pebbles throwing into a big pile of rocks at all. Get all just having a little effect. And if we get most of it right most of the time, then we’re still going to end up on top. Right. We did mention before the impact of some of these very negative items, such as the oils in particular if we just focus on the oils. And if your daily habit each day was wanting to, you know, put oil on your salad, I would say, look how well we having this conversation. How are you having? Why are you on this podcast? Because you would be in agony. And that would be undermining you. But we’re not talking about that, are we? We’re talking about something that you’ve found has been maybe negligible or not impactful on your progress.
Suzanne Yes. And I think if I know for a fact that when I tried the coffee, that one cup if I hadn’t awakened the next morning and my joints were crazy, I totally would have. I mean, I’m not. I may be silly sometimes, but I’m not stupid. It’s I think that’s the thing with these inflammatory foods and things that it meant and like you said many times in the program. It may be a different fruit food for a different person, so maybe someone can go ahead and not have a reaction from whatever it might be, I’m not sure. I mean, whatever food it might be to not have a reaction from it then. And if they enjoy that thing, then go ahead for a while until they determine that that’s detrimental. But. I think with the coffee and things like that, if I feel like it’s not detrimental to me that I’m ok with it until I get to the point, I honestly. When I look into the future, I do see myself being freed from those things because I don’t want to be addicted to anything in this life. You know, nothing. We shouldn’t be. But I guess that’s where my imperfection comes in. And so I keep striving.
Clint And if you never, never stopped, I don’t think it’s a problem. As long as it doesn’t make your joints feel worse. Like, seriously? You know, some of the longest living people on earth, according to the Blue Zones by Dan Buettner, you know there that what they most frequently drink is water, tea and coffee.
Clint Okay. So it’s not like coffee is an instant disqualifier for having longevity and an instant disqualifier for health. It’s just something that isn’t going to be a healing food. Right. And so for healing drink and so against the worst enemy that we could imagine. I have it out of the program because I just want to give everyone the greatest possible chance of success because the odds against us are so great.
Suzanne And because it’s an acidic type of a thing that causes. You know, it’s not alkaline things. So it’s not good for your body to have that in it. And like you said, all things work together. So, you know, our system is so complicated and every little thing that we can do to bring it to the state of hell, not even if it’s if it is getting rid of the cup of coffee or I mean, that’s what we see. That’s what you strive for. You set that up as your goal to do that 100 percent.
Suzanne So if we keep that in the forefront of our minds and then I’m talking to myself, I work towards that or towards that goal. Right. I can hear you think in this way.
Clint But look. Yes. And I’m on the other side of the fence. I’m on the other side of the fence here for a little bit. Now, I want to just because I think it’s worth spending just another minute or two on this.
Clint A couple of benefits that may. And I’m not encouraging people to start drinking. I’m just saying why it may not be a problem for you and why people might find this interesting, that if they are also having a cup of coffee and they want to keep that as to why it could be good if it helps them stick to the rest of the program. Yes, we know it’s a diuretic. So constipation is far worse than having a cup of coffee. So if until someone is able to have a regular and normal bowel movement, the cup of coffee helps them achieve that, then in those in that instance, it’s a benefit. It also helps, as you said, it does tend to stimulate stomach acid.
Clint And if someone has low stomach acid and they find that on having a cup of coffee doesn’t worsen their joints for that person, it may be helping to, you know, digest some of their protein better because the stomach acids heavily required for protein digestion.
Clint And so, look, that doesn’t stack the argument in favor of coffee. But now, you know, nor is coffee the you know, the ultimate enemy. The ultimate enemy is something that massively inflames the joints. And we’ve covered some of those. And there’s obviously a bunch of other things that we could list. But let’s move on to the next bullet point. What’s your next bullet point or thing that you’ve been able to overcome all or more cheats even?
Suzanne OK. Let’s see. Maybe just talk a little bit about, I wanted to discuss a little bit about exercise and how I had to really be open to change when it came to exercise because I’ve always exercised ever since my high school years. At least three times a week in various different forms of exercise. However, it was maybe like the home workout.I’m more comfortable doing workouts at home than I am going to a gym or whatever just because, you know, I don’t want to give myself any excuse not to go to the gym or not to get my workout in. So if I workout right here in my home and everything’s available to me, then I’m likely to do it all the time, you know, and to be good at it.
Suzanne So when I first started, I was out running and I was doing weights and I was also doing some high-intensity cardio. So then the knee problem and the ankle and all that stuff cropped up and I had to make some changes. So what I did is I went to just plain jogging and not going very fast and then doing some yoga. And now this yoga wasn’t Bikram yoga at the time because I didn’t know anything about Bikram yoga. So I was doing yoga, which had a lot of wrist work in it, actually. So then when I started your program, I thought, you know, I’m going to give this Bikram a try. And. I didn’t wait very long until I tried it. We may have Bikram in this area. I’m not sure because we are in Virginia and we’re in the D.C. area. So we’ve got almost everything you can think of in food and exercise and everything. However, I knew for it to be successful for me that I would have to have it accessible right here at home to do whenever I wanted to. So I did a little research and found Bikram yoga book online on Amazon and I ordered it and it has the pictures and all the moves. And then there are a couple videos online that you can find that show the moves. So I did that and I to this day I do it. Now. I don’t do hot yoga because I can’t I don’t want to grow mold in the house.
Suzanne I know I can’t do hot yoga, but I think that, like I said before, is with the coffee. You can’t let one little aspect to deter you from doing something, you know, just do something. So, yeah. So I do the Bikram and I do the full 90 minutes and I do it at least three times a week. And I do it in the serenity of my own home, in the piece of my own surroundings and on my own time. And I find that that helps my attitude. I’m not rushed to run up to a class. I’m not pressured to what do I need to wear? How do you know? What am I going to look like or, you know, how is it going to be? I just it’s so relaxing. And if you can wrap your mind around, just relaxing about the whole thing and doing it the way it works for you, then don’t let Bikram stop you from trying it. Do it at home. If you don’t want to run out and find a class, there are so many people that have said, you know, that closest class is 90 miles away or whatever. Don’t let it stop you.
Suzanne This is a very small world with the technology we have today. Just set up your computer and just hit one of the online three courses and just follow it. They got all the moves. They’ll show you how to do it. And it’s encouraging. And so I really love that aspect of being able to change the exercise to fit where I’m at in a journey that I’m on. Do you know what I mean? So I’ve had to be a little bit lenient with myself as far as, hey, maybe I can’t run, but I can walk more. Hey, if I can’t walk, I can go do the bicycle. Or if I can’t do the bike, then, hey, I can do some stretching, whatever it is. I just have to say I’m gonna do it today. I may have to change the way I do it, but I’m going to do it anyway. Yes. So.
Clint Yeah, absolutely. The word that comes to mind is resourcefulness. You have a lot of resourcefulness.
Clint You’re able to find a way of making it work for you under the circumstances and not having to make it perfect, but actually still making it part of a routine and a habit, which is the goal. The goal is the habit. If we can establish the habit, the results will come.
Clint I loved that one. Okay. Did you get any other little tricks up your sleeve to share with us?
Suzanne Let’s see. I think. I think one of the things that keep me going is just to visualize myself healthy and well and see that picture clearly in my mind, because at this point right now, I’m 55 years old and so. I think if I were to look at it in the worldly view of RA is that in ten years, a person would be really incapacitated or in a wheelchair.
Suzanne But I’m not going to go there mentally, ever. I’m never going to go there. I’m always going to look forward to visualizing myself healthy, well, enjoying life and just continuing on with the journey every day and enjoying this life for what it has every moment of the day. So I never let myself dwell on negative aspects. And I have to say. That it is a real thing when you have an autoimmune disease to subconsciously to allow your subconscious to give you negative thoughts and help you and make you come to this. And you’ve discussed this before in your podcast, this dark place where you feel hopeless and helpless. And I find that those times do come to me, but they usually come to me at like 5:00 or 6:00 in the morning when I’m just starting to wake up and I’m starting to come back into consciousness. And I have to immediately force that out of my mind and say, no, we are going to be healthy and well and we’re moving forward and it’s going to be a good day today. And I find it I say that to myself. It actually turns out being a great day. And I really look forward to the healing process. You know, but you have to be really conscious about pushing down those negative thoughts and not allowing them to take over your mind or your will.
Suzanne Because I think when we dwell on those things, it really shapes the reality, it really shapes our reality.
Clint Oh, yeah, yeah. Any of the experts in creative visualization will tell you that, you know, whatever you focus on the most will perpetuate in your life. And this is why every time we get a bill in the mail, we shouldn’t create a fuss and talk about the bill that’s arrived in the mail. And it’s another bill. I’ve got another bill. Well, guess what? It feels like all you ever get in the mail is a bill. But when the mail comes in, we should just acknowledge, okay. There’s a bill to pay. Get it done. Just pay the bill online, whatever. Take care of it. Don’t give it much thought. No need to discuss it. And we’ve got letters from friends and family and things that we can talk about. And let’s just rejoice and over sort of discuss and celebrate those positive things. And then all it will seem like is that we’re getting letters in the mail from loved ones. And whilst it’s a sort of a little light example. That’s how it plays out for us. Definitely with our health as well.
Clint And, you know, I actually said to Melissa yesterday, I said it’s almost like the human being is just designed to winge and complain because all I’m ever hearing from people when you “How are you? Hey, you go in. I’m gone. Okay. But this is wrong. How are you going? Today wasn’t too bad, but this went wrong. And okay. It’s like all everyone ever does. And I’m guilty of this always like blah, blah, blah. But well, let’s just talk about, you know, how that can have an impact on us, especially when we’re talking to our self, you know? Ah, this hurts more. That hurts more. And it can be really dangerous for us. So, you know, I like to over celebrate small victories if we, you know, really, really celebrate small victory. I tell the kids, you know, hey, this, that and the other, I was able to lift this extra weight or hey, I was able to do this at Bikram and whilst the rest of the class I had my own really disliked. Let’s talk about the positive. It’s literally a mind game. We have to control the mind by feeding the things that we want to respond to and what you’re doing. It’s not easy, is it? It’s not easy when something’s not right to try and twist it. It is an effort.
Suzanne But it’s important, like you said, to control the mind because we can control the mine and we are the only ones that control our own mind. So I think you have trouble with that. If anyone, including myself, has trouble with the complaining thing, I mean, we’re human. We do that. But acknowledge it and say, OK, I’m going to give myself five minutes to whine. Five minutes to whine. And when I’m done with the five minutes, I can’t whine anymore. So it’s all gonna be positive after that. So go ahead and acknowledge it, because you’re a human being and you do have those feelings.
Suzanne Get it out of the way and don’t let it get in the way of the rest of your day.
Clint So I really like that. I really like that. Yeah, because we have to share. We have to get it out. But let’s get it out. Let’s get it all out. Let’s scrape it right to the bottom of that barrel and clear everything. Not just the superficial stuff, but all of the stuff that we imply may happen to us because of that and all the things beyond that. And then when we get all that out, we can say, all right. Well, that’s the worst could happen. What’s likely to happen? Probably a lot less today. And now let’s go and do something positive. Let’s take massive action right now. Let’s jump on the exercise bike. Well, let’s go and hang from a pull-up bar that we’ve bought and put above our doorway or let’s go and grab some of these exercise bands and do some bicep curls. You know, whatever it might be. Well, let’s go make a green juice. So, yeah, I love that. That’s a great one. The visualize healthy and well.
Clint Well, thanks, Suzanne. Have we missed anything?
Suzanne I don’t think so, other than. Yeah. Like you mentioned, the green juice at the end, I mean, that’s 100 percent important thing. Got to have your green juice, whether you’re juicing it or putting it in a smoothie, it doesn’t matter. Got it. Green juice. And one little thing that I like to do is my best green juice, not juice, but a smoothie. I love Sal Reduce and I do have that. But I do have a green smoothie with banana and kale. What I do is I take a fresh bag of kale, a nice big bag, and I pop it in the freezer right from the grocery store in the freezer. And then two days later, I take the bag and crunch it all up into little tiny powdery bits. And then now I have a bag of powdered kale that I just scoop into my smoothie. And you can get a whole lot of kale in your body when you’ve crunched it all up.
Clint That’s excellent. I’ve never heard one. That’s a great tip.
Suzanne It is a great tip because you can even do that with leftover salad. Let’s say you made a big salad and you know, it’s been in the fridge for a day. And then. But you really it’s not in this situation where you want to eat it. Just put it in the freezer and then when you’re ready, crunch it up and put it in your salad and your smoothie. And so you’ve got an exponential number of greens in one little smoothie. And I think that helps.
Clint Oh yeah. Yeah, that’ll help for sure. Yeah. The more greens the better. So that’s a cool tip. Thank you.
Clint Well, we’ve learned a lot. You’ve clearly learned a lot yourself by going through this process. And I want to just congratulate you on all that you’ve managed to achieve. You’ve certainly defied the odds in terms of, you know, the typical amount of symptoms that you would have by now if you had of going down the Western diet approach and so on. So not throwing any shade towards anything that’s conventional. I’m just saying that you’ve done extraordinarily and remarkably well. So congratulations on that front and thank you for being such a great member of Paddison Program support. And if anyone’s wondering about joining, obviously, Suzanne’s explained how crucial it was for her to get the ongoing help and support not just from me, but the other members who were all going through their journeys and making their improvements. So thanks again for sharing these wonderful tips as well.
Suzanne Thank you. Clint, I just tapped it. You know I wouldn’t be here today experiencing the good effects of healthy eating and exercise and getting rid of those things that we think are healthy but are really not if it weren’t for you. So thank you for reaching out. And I mean, it’s gonna be a massive amount of work for you to be able to reach people like this. And by the time that you put in away from your family and just everything, I mean, I can’t even imagine what you go through to do this. But certainly it’s a blessing to me, and I’m pretty sure it’s a blessing to everybody else that’s on the program. And if I could just say to people out there, don’t let certain things hold you back. Get on the program and get healed because it is attainable and it is within your reach. So that’s what I would have to say. And just thank you for helping me to even come to that conclusion and be able to just have the joy I have today just because of your program and the work that you put into it. So thank you so much, Quint.
Thank you. That’s beautiful. Thanks, Suzanne.