We discuss how:
– Jackie was on a lot of medications and couldn’t even move
– After finding the Paddison Program, she significantly improved
– She has progressively reduced medications – Methotrexate down to 1/3 of the original dose
– She’s back to her exercises, which are a great part of her discipline
– She’s one of the founders of the Paddison Program Support group, which counts nearly 500 people
– She has also started a charity in the Isle of Man where she lives, to fight autoimmune arthritis
– Her charity event in a few weeks on the Isle of Man will feature several Paddison Program experts who will share how they overcome crippling illness
Clint: Today I’d like to invite a friend on to our Paddison podcast episode. She is someone who is a founding member of the Paddison Program Support, which is the group where we all communicate online with the common purpose of reversing inflammatory arthritis. Originally Jackie was part of just a few people, I think we had maybe 10 people kick it off. And now we’re up to nearly 500 people in that support group who are all making tremendous improvements to their health. And Jackie you’ve been there right from the start. I’ve witnessed so much going on not just with your personal health but also with the wonderful things that you’ve been doing over in the Isle of Man where you live both setting up a charity, and organizing events, and being a real champion for the auto immune arthritis community where you live. So Jackie thanks for joining us.
Jackie: Hi, thanks for having me on Clint. And so I started I think I met you just over four years ago, and you just had your first child and now you’re expecting your third which is very exciting. Good luck, I have 3. I was severely ill as you know you know everything, you know my entire story and everything has happened the last four years. And I was absolutely desperate so I started off on triple d-mark therapy plus steroids, I was very very ill. And I have the illness which is sero negative arthritis in every joint of my body, and even with all that medication I could barely move, I really couldn’t walk very far. So I was desperate and I knew the next step was biologics which I missed. But anyway I found you which was miraculous.
Jackie: We’re going to talk about my story in a moment I know that. But what we’re going to talk that first what I’d like to talk about really is. Because of your great work, basically I founded this charity it’s all about awareness, information, and compassionate funding of people with autoimmune arthritis. And as part of that, is part inspirational living and information drive. Last year we had a great event and we invited two people who had actually recovered from rheumatoid arthritis using your system to the Isle of Man to talk for the charity. And it was absolutely, it was such a brilliant event we met Danny, and Andy. Who are both Paddison Program graduates both now off all their medication. What great people and Danny’s girlfriend Chantelle, who kind of became my best friend. We had great a time, luckily have one rainy day (inaudible). We had some great weather as well. And (inaudible) it was packed you’d be pleased to know.
Clint: Yes I saw the pictures, over 100 odd people there at the event wasn’t there?
Jackie: It was about 90 actually, (inaudible). We got to see Andy who had been wheelchair bound. He had been waiting for knee replacements on both knees, and he’s had Bikram Yoga of everybody you know. And then Danny who’s just, he’s great straight talking about I think his store kind of tested his interest.
Clint: And his green smoothies, he always talks about his greens smoothies. .
Jackie: (inaudible) and they stayed at my house that was really good. So this year, we thought we’d do it all over again because it was so good. And also had a lot of positive feedback. You’ll be (inaudible) to know. I had people come up to me and say they have bought the Paddison Program. And at least 1 person is off all their meds and do brilliantly. And that’s quite a short space of time. And other people say they’re doing it and they had great benefits. So it’s really had an impact Clint, and so you should be very proud.
Clint: Thanks Jackie. It takes advocates like yourself, and it takes you know I think for want of a better word you know we’re all pioneers on this journey. We’re all trying to carve out a path forward that other people can follow that doesn’t exist or certainly hasn’t existed in the past. Because when I was going through all my challenges it began for me 11 years ago now when I was diagnosed. And in fact I bring this up because it’s just in the front of my short term memory, because I just working on my story and revising it and touching it up for what I published my book. And yeah I mean I was just in the dark, just try and work out what to do, what to eat, and it really did feel like there was no direction whatsoever. Very little information published information about this. So look we’re all still creating a path forward that can be followed by others. And we’re all still informing other people at a very grassroots level. This is in its infancy, this is like the first week of Paddison Program, you go to a long way to go. So the whole movement is only in its infancy. It’s only in the first week equivalent of where this can go, and where I’d like to see it.
Clint: And so I’d like to thank you for all the work that you’ve done and all the people that you share this with. Not just you know face to face but also online in our support group. You’ve got something like I’m going to make up a number and I’m probably going to under quote it but you’ve got something like a hundred pages of journal entries or something. I mean it’s massive right, (inaudible) 200 pages right. So that’s why I know your story very well. But let me just say that setting up a charity, you’re the first to do that within our community group, and worldwide sort of collective friendship and pioneer group. Now tell us you mentioned very quickly a little bit of information about it, but can you tell us a bit more about why you set that up other than putting on events which we’ll talk a little bit more about the minute? Who have you been able to help? Where do you want to see money go to? and who would you like to reach out to raise some money for that?
Jackie: Well I think as you know Clint, I don’t have an easy time with this illness. And what actually happened (inaudible). But once I started the Paddison Program I had amazing results. You might remember at all, but I was on a lot of medication, I couldn’t even move. I remember having a picnic in the park, not been able (inaudible). And that was active months on being on the right medication. And then I started the Paddison Program and 7 weeks later, I swam round Peel Castle which is a Castle on the Isle of Man right? Now, I did that specifically because I got very ill. It was about the time I was supposed to be doing an adventure race, and I had to obviously miss the adventure race, and that was my role was to swim. It was a team event, it was to swim around the castles, so I did it. As soon as I felt like I could do it, I wasn’t well enough. I was still very sick, but I did it, I couldn’t walk very well. I did swim through a lot of jellyfish. (inaudible) It was like jellyfish soup. And so that’s how quickly I started to improve, although it felt slow improvement it did feel slow. I continued to progress the next 20 months, I progressed, and progressed and progressed. And during that time I lowered medication, I have to say I’m not anti-medication by the way. I have to this because (inaudible) charity, one thing I was very concerned about last year’s event was people went away and thought you can (inaudible) your medication.
Clint: Yes it’s a problem. Yeah it’s a problem that I have to be careful with as well.
Jackie: Definitely. And at the time I am working closely with my rheumatologist, and I was able to monitor my blood very carefully then assessed me. And then I gradually lowered my medication, and which is great it worked brilliantly. So after, I got sick in 2013. September 2015, I did a 75 km mountain bike race. I still never been able to walk properly since it all began five years ago, but I did mountain bike races 6 1/2 hours. I am a family champion. My son did it and got caught in a table, my husband didn’t got cramp the whole way, they take longer than me to complete it. So anyway, and then unfortunately I had a just a terrible calamity everything went wrong, everything went terribly wrong. And they always came back which was two pond, one was I did have a terrible calamity a trauma if you like. Which massed my mental health, which messed my physical health. I also stopped from injections to tablets on the methotrexate, and later (inaudible). But basically the illness came back and for 18 months was mainly on the hex. I didn’t receive the the proper care we should receive basically and it wasn’t identified. And I was told over and over again I’d injure myself biking, I didn’t get proper tests for a long time. That’s not a man problem as well getting correct tests. You know at the right time, and during that time I thought I permanently damaged myself biking you see. It was agony, it was arthritis pain you know it was obvious.
Jackie: Anyway, so whatever happened it was a very deep trauma you know psychologically, because I lost all that. I had been doing yoga three times a week, I had be used as Halaby body exercise, Jackie comeback on exercise in a minute (inaudible). I was doing track on swimming level you know, I was absolute lying and to go from that and think I’m gonna beat this illness, I’ll be off on all my meds in six months. I’ll be free of all my thoughts so strong, my body felt so strong to suddenly go back quickly. And it was a huge (inaudible).
Clint: Let me jump in there and just add a little bit of an outsider’s summary as to what you just covered. What we witness inside our support group, and what I found very frustrating as someone trying to help you. And trying to move you forward whilst you are going through these challenges. Is that because the inflammation shifted to your hips it immobilized you, and it wasn’t like having it in your ankle because you can still use a pushbike or having it in your shoulders because you could still go to Bikram yoga or even any kind of yoga or having it in your even in your chest because you can still go for a swim. You had it in your hips, and you couldn’t exercise, you couldn’t swim. And I always lamented that you didn’t have a Bikram style yoga in your area. And in fact the yoga that you were going to if I recall correctly as we go back a few years, it closed right? They didn’t do the hot yoga. Remember that? The heater broke and they stopped offering it.
Clint: So the only thing you really can do when your hips are immobilized, is be able to stand still and move your upper body and lower body carefully. But you didn’t even have that option available to you in your local area. These days we talk about following along Bikram online, and following step by step instructions online. But you know you really really were stuck, because as you said amongst our internal group we would say to other people, you got to exercise like Jackie. Which meant that, take it seriously, do it every day. And when exercise was taken away from you it was your number one strategy for pain reduction, and it was very very detrimental when that happened. And then as you said a year and a half went by when people kept telling you it was a sports injury, when it was inflammation the whole time and it should have been addressed as such.
Jackie: Yeah it was, so I will talk about the exercise actually. That will get back to the charity it was really your original question. So basically when I was doing really well, when you said exercise like Jackie I was an athlete. Right, I was training like an athlete. So I was doing a lot, and that was really. I know other people like Danny took sides used smoothies, to me the exercise that high aerobic exercise. I mean I was mountain biking mountain biking, up hills, steep hills (inaudible), hot yoga 2 to 3 times a week and I was also doing swimming at least once or twice a week.
Jackie: And you know all that was going well trying walk as well, never been very good at walking. But anyway so that was kind of all going on. Then this happened. Now you say about the hips I couldn’t move, I couldn’t even move my top body, I couldn’t turn. And I come back on how distressing it was in a minute but what I did do in the end. I started to gradually improve, and start the first year at the hips. Started to gradually improve, and I started to hike. So what I would do, do you remember I forgot to his name Patrick McCowen, the breathing man.
Clint: Yeah absolutely.
Jackie: So what I do, is I put on(inaudible) right? And I would go and find a seat help and I (inaudible) walk for half an hour and probably totally. Sometimes I have to even (inaudible), I walked (inaudible) actually here. And I have to come all the way down carefully on my bum, right? In the snow because (inaudible) my hips wouldn’t work. I was in agony, and I remember my feet I couldn’t feel my feet because I was so slow. But I did it, just to get back (inaudible) warm clothes and I did the nasal breathing, right? And this is like altitude training. So what you’re doing when you’re walking up the steep hill, you’re really overworking kind of you know your lungs and everything to maximum capacity. (inaudible) without adding things that you couldn’t do. So I started doing that to what I was finding every time I did it I would have a relaxing week. (inaudible) but that start to get moving again and then eventually I think it was at 17 months I got the MRI showed that that was a fusion in my hips. And happy (inaudible) and you know I just and I got the injection and the cortisol injection it didn’t (inaudible) sound. That was May, it was a year ago May last year. That was a life changer. This got better and better. I also know now that the illness gets flares in my hips (inaudible). And quite frankly it’s obvious how much it was the (inaudible) now. It was strange, it didn’t show up so much in my blood but then it can be weird like that.
Clint: Yeah. And I think it’s worth just to restate what you did say earlier, that it sounds negligent to not observe the hip inflammation for such a long period of time, and to be assuming that it was some other kind of injury that could be resolved by either rest or stretching or something like that. But you know in some small countries some small regional areas of big countries there is a the sort of structure in place medically to be able to get quick consultations, quick mri’s, quick results, and quick action. And that was the case in your instance, because I remember that you’re waiting a long time to see specialists there. Challenges in seeing the right specialist and then getting the right referrals. And so that year and a half really should have been a month and a half, and that injection should have been done quickly and you could have saved a lot of very very difficult period of your life. But this is this is why.
Jackie: If I was in Australia or America okay, over here is the NHS its pros and cons isn’t it? You don’t pay but you have to wait. But what did happen was very bad (inaudible). I tried to carry on down the Chapman swimming right and I could barely move. So I was putting a pull bar between my legs and trying and you know, and I put my shoulder out and unfortunately I don’t know what happened because I ride the wrong (inaudible) and I just gave up. But because of that I’ve never been able to the shoulder action again and I don’t even know why. So it was all a bit of a terrible calamity. Track it back on like I said my charity.
Clint: Yeah well all of this I think leads us into that anyway. So it’s all it’s all a natural progression I think.
Jackie: It’s totally. So what happened in that time I was kind of I was very very distraught. You know it had been unexpected. It had been I don’t know. The pressure on my family, I got 3 kids I mentioned before, and my husband is a bit older than me you know. He works hard, he’s got physical job. But for him to get home and even have to deal with kids and having to deal with me being useless. So a lot of stress you know we’re a close family everything so lot of stress. So during time I thought I can’t have I was psychological battered and you remember. I was actually battered, an all-time low. And this is on the back and of having an anxiety disorder before the arthritis which I cured via Charles Linden, The Linden method for complete anxiety recovery. I will mention it now because he is a mass adherent, and he is also what led me to you because he gave me such faith in my own identity to selfheal (inaudible) that’s when I looked for you. And so all this is going on and I felt like I didn’t have anybody to talk to, any access to anything. And I don’t understand it took me a long time to get diagnosed in the first place, I saw 14 different practitioners. Tons of times more than once sometimes five times each practitioner. And the last one, the last doctor to say something seriously wrong here I’m referring this to a rheumatologist. So you know a lot of things I was thinking nobody really knows much about autoimmune arthritis. People are saying you are too young (inaudible). I’ve got three kids, and I’m in my 30’s, and I can’t move. I find that very very distressing.
Jackie: So basically I set the charity to raise awareness of autoimmune arthritis specifically, because it’s a completely different beast. Too degenerative, I know that’s horrible, I’m not saying it can’t be horrible but it is a very different beast. And different medications, different prognosis, different age related thing people will get hit, demographic that was it. And to raise awareness but also to provide information and compassionate funding, so that nobody would undergo my situation where you can’t get counselling and you don’t have somebody to talk to, you don’t know where to find information about these things. Nobody’s giving you advice about the best holistic because one of the things that came out of last year’s talk was basically that people are saying there’s so much out there, so much advice, how do you know what’s right? Everyone is suggesting (inaudible) I don’t really expect a big deal, oh yeah cure everything. It’s not touched anything at all. I think every day has not make any difference I’ve noticed. But people have you know so many different ideas about what you can do, and you can go off on crazy tangents. And you’ve lost to spend a lot of money once and I say is that the anxiety disorder as well. I spent thousands and thousands and thousands trying to cure tinnitus related anxiety which came from another autoimmune illness which is hypothyroidism. Until I met Charles Linden and it was like what causes 70 quid or whatever and then it was like I just do this. This is all I do I don’t need to see anybody ever again. I just need to do what he tells me is dead straightforward and logical.
Clint: Yes and we’ll get him we’ll get him on a future episode. You’ve connected us.
Jackie: He’s a little bit controversial it turns out but he’s amazing and skype sessions (inaudible). I felt so passionately about this, I just can’t believe if I don’t do anything to improve the lives of the people and no one has to go what I went through. Even things have benefits Clint, nobody told me about benefits at all, you know about being able to claim I don’t know disability living. So all these things I couldn’t move, I couldn’t been getting financial help, my husband could only you know we could make life much easier for ourselves we didn’t know.
Jackie: So the charity are big thing that we do, and some counselling. So what we do we teamed up with an amazing charity called (inaudible) who already are providing what kind of somewhat what we do, but with people with cancer. So that’s branching out a little bit. And we approach, and so we now we’ve raised enough money last year to be able to partly fund the counsellor. So now we can have them, if anybody comes to a support, any kind of autoimmune arthritis and says I’m really struggling here, I really need to talk to somebody. Within a maximum of three weeks they can be talking to somebody for free,.
Clint: Fantastic, that is fantastic.
Jackie: So I wish I had it for me when I was sick, and so many people said I wish I was here and I was first diagnosed. It’s not just people who are first diagnosed, it can be people who’ve had a long time and just anybody with autoimmune arthritis. I got my charity to just say yes to everybody, I don’t want anybody to suffer from anything or to want for anything. So we provide some equipment for people as well, find some free swimming lessons for kids and stuff like that, you know juvenile arthritis we can also provide funding towards things like complementary house. Again you know people like I know it really helps to have acupuncture, cranio a bit. (inaudible) she’s sick. So there’s (inaudible) your the particles is on information drive. So we try and source like Charles Linden, his system is just his next anxiety sufferer. He’s been right in to the bad (inaudible) of it, he knows everything about it. He’s torn all to pieces, and he’s decent, and it’s logical. His system it’s just like very straight forward that makes sense, and a bit like yours and I found your stuff I discovered I’ve always been veggie. But I was like, I’m a natural vegan, I know the vegan. And I only have dairy because (inaudible) I should do. And it was like I’m so glad your program was vegan I couldn’t have done it if it wasn’t.
Jackie: But it was just, the way you talk about healing the gut because so many programs again like people know things are related. And I think it just takes to flout just don’t have gluten, just don’t have night shade. And (inaudible) think a little bit beyond that, which is why you shouldn’t have this? why you shouldn’t have night shade? What’s going on inside this system? So when I read your book I was like, oh this is just and I (inaudible) and you were just launching things. So this whole thing about the information drive and so like you say it to me before (inaudible) the case (inaudible).
Clint: Yeah, and before we launch into Katie and Ida. Let’s talk about or is it Ida? yeah gosh she’s going to punch me if she hears this. So because she corrected me and then I have it right. But now you’ve just put something else into my head. The charity it’s name, Without Wings.
Jackie: Oh sorry (inaudible) Without wings. So people when their most without wings, and without their freedom because and it comes from when I was very sick and I couldn’t move much of my fingers. And which was at least affected part of me. I read a novel, and the novel is called the boy without wings and it was the novel is a young adult fantasy fiction, a tale of his quest back to life and it’s very twisty and turn and kind of crazy. And somebody publish me please. I’m just working on the second which is, it’s called The Call of the birds. And another thing (inaudible) come out of that (inaudible) writers writing you know became a performance poet doing thing. And when poetry slam and so it came from that the without wings thing, without freedom, actually is the opposite in the book. And our little logo was designed by Bruce form Michel and some programs she gave us our logo. I just put it out there I need a logo, and the next day it was like an amazing thing for me.
Clint: Michelle from New Zealand, on almost I’d have to say as close to the opposite side of the world. The most geographically distant place from the Isle of Man would be in terms of you know conventional western living if we don’t call the Arctic’s. New Zealand and Isle of Man are a long way apart, and she’s seen you post this in our support group and she’s like how about this and straightaway you like. There it is. Yeah right. So now keeping in mind that most of our audience watching or listening to this are not in the Isle of Man. Do they have potential of accessing benefits or are you just keeping things local for the moment?
Jackie: Without wings?
Jackie: Yeah I mean you know, I’ve got brilliant trustees on board to help me but to be honest because I’m the one who knows everything that’s going on inside my head. And it’s a lot of work, (inaudible) and it is all voluntary of course. And it’s a local but of course I think it would be lovely to spread the program.
Clint: What about on the flipside, if someone’s listening to this and they think this sounds like something I’d like to support. Even just fifty or a hundred dollars even would make a big difference, probably help to enable someone local on your small island to be able to get a session with the counsellor probably at that kind of level of donation. Are we able to link from our show notes, from our episode are we able to maybe create a link to a donation page that we could share?
Jackie: Yeah definitely, we’re gotta just getting our donation page. I’ll give you the details to show later. But also on the back of all I was talking about when I was recovering from the hip thing I started hiking and after I had the injection, I starter hiking a bot more. because I still couldn’t swim because of my shoulder, and still I couldn’t bike because my hips are still not right. So I started hiking and hiking, and I do it every day and actually I’m doing a sponsored challenge. I’m going to England in August with my eldest son, wish me luck. We’re gonna hike 3 peaks and the Yorkshire Dales which is in the pannikins and (inaudible) I think. We’re going to do it for the charity, to raise money for the charity. So there’s a sponsor thing on which I’ll give you the information that people can sponsor me to do that.
Clint: Yeah that’s awesome. Okay so their money goes to a particular challenge event that then you will motivate you and then all the money will end up into the charity to be able to help. That’s wonderful.
Jackie: Yeah that will be great because we were, last year because when you (inaudible) I think a lot of people do is kind of donate. And this year (inaudible) not been so successful. We test, we need the money because our hardworking charity, we really are. And we really want to carry all underwriting these great events.
Clint: Perfect segue way. So now into the event that we’ve got coming up. Tell us the date of this next event which is going to be all about the stories, and the inspirational attitudes of Ida and Katie. Both who are travelling to the Isle of Man like the gentleman did last year, like Danny and Andy did last year. Tell us what’s the date of the event, where is it.
Jackie: It Sunday the 22nd of July, and it’s going to take place at Noa Bakehouse in Douglas on the Isle of Man. So any English folk, well anybody can come, everyone’s invited to come. And the ticket is 12 pounds per person, 5 pounds each if you have autoimmune arthritis and you want to have (inaudible) free from the 16’s. And there should be some free plant-based goodies there for people to snack on I got to source them yet, and it’s a gorgeous venue. Now I just (inaudible) can anybody is thinking of coming over. Unfortunately or fortunately whichever way you look at it, it clashes with the festival of the Isle of man (inaudible) format. So what we’ve done is like how (inaudible), oh it’s just the same weekend called the Dark Horse festival on the Isle of Man. So if anybody does want to come let me know sooner or later, you can probably get an access into the festival as well.
Clint: Okay so I think it’s great. So you’ve got two reasons to go to the Isle of Man. You can attend this popular festival, and you can go to a plant-based event where 2 Paddison Program sort of graduate success stories. Both who have appeared on our podcast Katie and Ida, who’ve both done incredibly well with their health completely different stories. Katie of course coming from a JIA background, diagnosed at 1 year old, put immediately onto years of prednisone and painkillers followed by methotrexate and then Enbrel. Now basically becoming a inspirational Bikram Yoga champion, and off all of her Vike it and that she’s been on for a decade. And then of course Ida who had a very unusual, very unique diagnosis of autoimmune arthritis. But for all intents of purposes basically rheumatoid just with a different name. And then had all sorts of troubles, and then had wonderful outcome following the Paddison Program. And then after being able to become free of her medications, successfully fell pregnant, now has a gorgeous boy. I presume she’ll be bringing her her boy with her.
Jackie: She is. (inaudible) a plant-based cookbook and I thought because a lot of people, one of my friends actually she started Paddison Program and she just couldn’t do it. Because she was a single mum and working full time, and she just felt like she couldn’t do the meals. And we have complementary health service in the charity, and we had somebody nutrition she really helped this lady. But one of the things I thought be absolutely wonderful to have some these cookbook, this is how you do it. It’s quite a challenge, especially those you (inaudible) I can imagine challenge if you’re (inaudible).
Clint: Look, one of the reason this program is simple because I can’t cook for the life of me. And I needed something that I could eat over and over again that was fast and simple, and I just went for the most alkalizing possible foods with the greatest ability to reduce pain that was easiest to prepare. And that’s where this all comes from, I am a terrible cook and Melissa who takes care of everything. And so what Ida has done is a godsend, because she has created ways of putting together oil free, low fat plant-based diet, for people who enjoy variety and people who want to after getting through the necessary elimination and reintroduction phase of our program. Then be able to enjoy the way that the meals are put together, and experiment with tastes, and colors, and preparations that are appealing visually, and from a taste point of view. So it’s totally exciting, and such a good set of speakers both of which you have presented before. They’ve both spoken at events and told their stories. This isn’t their first time at the rodeo either, so they’ve got a bit of experience in speaking. And I think that if someone is interested in just taking a few days away around that weekend in sort of mid to late July, and they think you know I’d love to go meet Jackie, and meet Ida, and meet Katie, and communicate with them and just have this experience. And andy is coming as well?
Jackie: (inaudible) Katie’s going to him first. And then we’re all coming over together with his wife. .
Clint: And none of them have met each other either have they? I know that Ida and Andy met.
Jackie: They certainly have. I don’t know where to put them up, because they’re here for a few days beforehand. I think It’ll be intense. We’re gonna pray that the Isle of Man is not going to rain.
Clint: You’re not selling the event right at this moment now Jackie. Everyone who comes is going to have wonderful nice accommodation.
Jackie: Oh they will actually, (inaudible).
Clint: In all seriousness, if someone wants to come surely they can find a bed.
Clint: Outside of family, can they find Bed and breakfasts and Airbnb and hotels?
Jackie: Yeah they might be able to find a (inaudible) from around. I don’t know if the (inaudible) are fully booked.
Clint: What’s a (inaudible).
Jackie: It’s like a kind of tent with a hot stove inside.
Jackie: They got those down (inaudible) no good. But it should be a great event and then hope in so it’s going to be chaotic as I’m digging with my band. It’s just another thing that happened after I got the injection. I joined a little band and (inaudible). I’m also committed (inaudible) downhill. And my son is also going to be kicking at the festival.
Clint: Wow, it’s a busy weekend for you. And you’ve got this event that you’re taking care of, and you’re hosting those guests from across the canal.
Jackie: But you see luckily Clint, because of the Paddison Program I have all that energy most of the time.
Clint: Awesome. I think this is exciting. It’s the second time as we said that you’re putting on this event. It’s the first of its kind in that, it feels so close to my heart because there are speakers of people that I know personally like yourself and have worked with and have followed our program. So I obviously wish I was there, and if it wasn’t for our third child being expected seven days prior to this event. I was seriously considering on coming across myself. Also adding a twist is that we decided to come back to Australia to have our child and so travelling from Australia is one heck of a lot more challenging to Isle of Man than what it is from East Coast US.
Clint: So who knows, by next time you have this event next year we might be no more babies and living a lot closer to you again. So in which case I might be able to come. But until then, this is the one we’re focused on. And again all information about donation to the charity and all the information about the event will put at www.paddisonprogram.com/jackie.
Jackie: And it’s great to say Clint tat I’m now down to, my rheumatologist has just agreed to lower my medications 10 mg of the methotrexate. Off of steroids, off the (inaudible), off the sulfasalazine, off the the proton pump pills it’s the first thing I got off. I think I was on 30 mg of Methotrexate as well and now going down to 10.
Clint: Awesome, we couldn’t leave that out, could we? Oh yeah it was like the final piece of your story, almost like the punchline at the end of a very happy story. So thanks for sharing that, and its awesome, 10 mg methotrexate that was the starting dose that I went on. Its considered a low dose, and to be going down is certainly a wonderful feeling as opposed to going up. So well done, well done. Thank you, Jackie.
Jackie: Alright. So bye Clint.
Clint: Thanks for coming on the show. Thanks for sharing your story, and I know that we’ll spend the next four years chatting, laughing, and making sure that we continue to improve your health. Inside Paddison Program support. Thank you.
Jackie: Yeah. Thank you.